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18-Apr-2005 11:26:29 AM
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On 17/04/2005 steph wrote:
>On 16/04/2005 itchyfingers wrote:
>>i'm sure you'll stop using chalk steph. really, i am. until you reach
>a
>>climb you can't do again. how about you ceremonially burn the chalkbag,
>>and then we can trust you? ; )
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>i dont really care if you trust me or not i'm not quitting chalk for you
>nor will anyone ever be able to prove that i never use it outdoors again.
>so i'm doing it because i want to be able to climb pristene rock outdoors
>for many years in the future and dont want it wrecked by ppl interested
>in their own performances and the 'now'.
don't stress steph.. it's all good fun
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19-Apr-2005 2:10:07 AM
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On 14/04/2005 nmonteith wrote:
>Liquid chalk + Tite Grip + Hoof Master + normal chalk + superglue + tape
>= success!!
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Sounds mighty like poff. Ew!
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19-Apr-2005 11:53:09 AM
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>On 14/04/2005 nmonteith wrote:
>>Liquid chalk + Tite Grip + Hoof Master + normal chalk + superglue + tape
>>= success!!
mayb if u added some sort of food product in it u could eat it for lunch, that way u can save space in ur pack for more quickdraws!!!
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23-Apr-2005 8:22:43 PM
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I got back from a 2 week road trip today to find some tite grip in my letterbox, reveiw to follow...
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23-Apr-2005 11:56:58 PM
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who really cares??
I use chalk, so what!
You don't, so what?
Get a life!!
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25-Apr-2005 9:59:30 PM
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hmmm i do i have a life and it involves climbing amoung other things.
ok according to your logic:
so wat if the cliffs get ruined
so wat if all the great climbs just become dot to dots instead of an adventure
so wat if parks victoria complain about the chalk on the cliffs and ban climbing there
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
it may surprise you but a lot of people actually care and some of those people might go the extra length to do something about it which may involve trying to get climbing banned in those spots (worse case senario of course). i care cos i think chalk marks look terrible on a beutiful cliff such as Araps, it's my oppinion, OK?
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25-Apr-2005 11:35:24 PM
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Wouldn't bother me if climbing was band at Araps. Why?
A. It wouldn't stop me climbing there.
B. After all the rubbish I've picked up over the last few days, the place could do with a rest.
The place is a trashed wasteland at the moment, mostly from weekenders and students who don't respect the place. Far bigger issue than chalk.
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26-Apr-2005 12:26:33 AM
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ur last post basicly said chalk was not an issue, which i think it is, mayb not as much as other issues like rubbish but it still is one.
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26-Apr-2005 11:05:32 AM
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Even in extremely dry conditions on a high friction day at Buffalo on the w/e I found that I still sweat heaps from my hands. I pretty much sweat from my hands only, where others get sweaty armpits and brow, I get sweat literally dripping from hands. This means that chalk only helps me after I have wiped my hands on my shirt/pants. Chalk for me is something I would rather do without, but alas cannot. I do applaud you Steph for your restraint.
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26-Apr-2005 9:41:51 PM
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On 25/04/2005 sabu wrote:
>hmmm i do i have a life and it involves climbing amoung other things.
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>ok according to your logic:
>so wat if the cliffs get ruined
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>i care cos i think chalk marks look terrible on a beutiful cliff such as
>Araps, it's my oppinion, OK?
ruined is a pretty strong term..
if you are that concerned about it (and it sounds as though you are), organise a cleanup of red wall and the flight deck. cos they are the only walls u can see chalk marks on from far away.
further to this, i wonder if any people other than climbers, ie tourons, actually know what they are looking at when they see chalk marks or for that matter give it much thought and instead look at the larger panorama that is araps (or gramps or wherever).
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26-Apr-2005 9:50:46 PM
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as nasty as chalk sometimes looks (the gallery), i would argue that visually and enviromentally tracks around the base of most crags are a much bigger impact.
case in point - if you sit up high in central gully right side at araps the biggest eyesore are the tracks not the lighter rock on beautiful possibilities...particularly around the central gully boulders.
that said all the chalk on tannin is an eyesore and really reduces the appeal of an otherwise great climb IMO
clancy
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26-Apr-2005 10:30:46 PM
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yes, i agree that the tracks and rubbish are more of an issue. but i think that the people who are concientious enough to consider the impact of chalk, and perhaps even cut down on it, seem in the main to be people who recognise this and try to minimise their impact on the crag. so for the people who think it is a watse of time to bicker about chalk, i think you need to realise that in general we aren't the ones leaving rubbish etc. IMHO, anyway.
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26-Apr-2005 10:45:39 PM
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On 26/04/2005 itchyfingers wrote:
>we aren't the ones leaving rubbish etc. IMHO, anyway.
i don't know any climbers who litter, chalkheads or not..
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27-Apr-2005 11:39:37 AM
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i agree with rich and most climbers i know pick up any they see and carry out...but there have to be some who drop it or else it wouldnt be there.
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27-Apr-2005 12:29:24 PM
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Yeah they are called bushwalkers:)
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27-Apr-2005 3:28:44 PM
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bushwackers more likely
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27-Apr-2005 5:17:13 PM
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yea i don't know any climbers nor seen any climbers just leave rubbish behind. so wat more can we do about it other than pick up wat we see? so for us as climbers we should focus on wat we can do rather than wat others are doing.
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27-Apr-2005 5:30:12 PM
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There is plenty of rubbish left behind by climbers. It migth nto be big items but it all adds up. Cig butts, finger tape, chalk balls, shoe-laces, water bottles and toilet paper litter every one of our fav crags. To say it is not climbers is pure ignorance.
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27-Apr-2005 7:15:40 PM
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Yeah your right Neil, cig butts are my biggest gripe they are everywhere.
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27-Apr-2005 9:42:25 PM
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On 25/04/2005 BoaredOfTheRings wrote:
>The place is a trashed wasteland at the moment, mostly from weekenders
>and students who don't respect the place. Far bigger issue than chalk.
Yeah, bloody students. "Less learnin, more earnin", that's what i always say.
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