Sorry Pat, didn't see the part about your kids using them. I have 2 kids and definitely would not let them use 8s. Wayy too easy to stuff up. Kids are kids.
Go the fat boy rope (That's actually what one of mine is called, and not just by my "friends") with the kids. And get them new ATCs or similar, while you're at it. They're expensive to replace.
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