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QUT and affiliates sued for $8m Kangaroo Point 26-May-2017 At 10:18:59 AM lukef

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Have been using "secure" instead of "safe" now with my climbing partners, because "safe" often sounds an aweful lot like "take", both things that could be expected to be yelled upon reaching the anchors at the top of a climb, but which have obviously different meanings and implications.

Also Re uni clubs, the club I've been in, before they stopped climbing activities, while there are some bumblies around, there has always been a core group of experienced climbers who have a lot to share. Now I see the primary function of the club as to hang out with and meet like minded people and eventually formulate our own plans outside the club setting after getting to know each other properly. The main trouble is helping new people to the point where they are experienced enough to safely make their own plans and participate on trips with people they meet without depending on others. Commercial guiding and training could well take that place of wholesale training of club members, it's expensive, but then so will the insurace be for clubs to run their own trips.

There will always be a place for one on one mentoring independent of climbing club activities though I think, as it is the most valuable learning tool, but hard to find someone willing to teach/mentor. whenever I meet someone keen, it's a bit of a dilema considering carefully whether the effort of spending entire weekends teaching will be worthwhile, or if they will just quickly move on to the next exciting thing they come across.