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Chopping Prow Prowess - TR 14-Jan-2013 At 11:38:19 AM lionelterray

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Facts :

- ALL planned and intended changes to MTK were posted on a FB forum WCC(old name) - on a daily/weekly basis for over one year in 2012 - people in this thread (and 55 others) had 'ample' opportunity to make comments at anytime. The few comments made were acted upon.

- advice was sought and obtained from the original crag developers (Ant Prehn , Graeme HIll , etal)

- the Prow Prowess route was notified to WCC(old name) and to over 300 Hangdog forum members in July 2012, and climbed/seen by at least a dozen climbers. Any issue with it was instigated by OLBERT for his own unilateral purposes

- Gumtree wall was ring bolted over 10 years ago

- Any 'new' routes ARE NOT covered in any of the old guides (although, 1 is in vague dispute)

- SONIC (gavin) was never banned from WCC (old name) forum . After repeated requests for assistance from Sonic for help (FB msgs can be produced) , Sonic in a fit of peak individually FB banned the WCC admin. As the WCC admin could no longer see SONICS posts in WCC (a bug/issue in FB) he had to be temporarily removed from the forum)

- the placing of lower offs was originally mandated by dave hoyle and paul ratenbury (their FB msgs can be produced - 1 specifically requesting low LOs on Short Legs)

- blue lettering is simply paint, it can be easily rubbed off - the original crag developers carved into the rock the route initials.. paint is far less destructive.

I have found these related thread comments neither accurate or helpful and blatantly vindictive , I shall not bother reading related chockstone threads again.
- so, please don't bother replying to me on this... i have stated facts not opinions, they are not in dispute