Oops, did'nt finish what I was going to say. I respect the effort of anyone who contributes to the development of a climbing area, but the use of the word 'disappointed' threw me. Sounded like an expectation that the crag would just be clean when he arrived. My knowledge of climbing history is actually quite immense. It's just that if I have to check up the status of every person I'm going to reply to, then I won't be getting much replying done. I accept that my comments were a little misplaced but they represent a truth. There are far too many goons getting into the outdoors with the attitude that someone else will look after the fine details. From where I stand, it seems a majority of those types have infiltrated outdoor activities in the last ten or so years.