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Black Range cease bolting request 29-Oct-2017 At 2:41:25 PM widewetandslippery

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On 27-Oct-2017 One Day Hero wrote:
>On 27-Oct-2017 gfdonc wrote:
>>That's not why I said or intended to convey.
>
>That's what you do convey. Maybe take a look around at the continuing
>actions of the 'climbing community', then have a think about what some
>likely outcomes are in the future.
>
>As a community, climbers never say 'enough'. If you refuse to bolt something
>because it would be ugly and shit, it will just get done by the first idiot
>who comes along with lower standards. Person A thinks a boulder is more
>worthwhile as moss habitat than a no-star, two move, sit start. Person
>B sees a mega classic, the moss doesn't stand a chance.
>
>I'm all for putting the necessary bolts in the quality routes, but climbing
>needs to develop a way to say 'enough'. The wild west is tamed, the idea
>that anyone can do whatever they want with a new route doesn't work in
>the modern era.
>
>What climbing needs is a return to self regulation, where dumb bolts get
>removed before the land managers even know they were there. I'm also a
>big fan of victimisation of the pussy climbers who put in pussy bolts on
>shit routes. Should just heckle them till they quit the sport.
>
>
Dammo, I'm not about to quit. I have put up shit bolted pussy routes but at crags no one had climbed at. Lot a rock out there. I agree if there is pressure on at an established area people should take self control and cease and be called out if they dont. I the privalige we have to bolt in parks and dont exploit it. Have no problems ion logged, trail bike, 4wd popular state forests putting up shit pussy routes at a crag I
found