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Bolting at The Horn, Mount Buffalo 28-Feb-2013 At 4:44:22 PM uwhp510

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On 28/02/2013 ratherbeclimbinv9 wrote:
>On 28/02/2013 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>>Where and when will the uneccessary overbolting stop, without people making it an agenda?
>
>I think I suggested earlier that it wouldn't, ever, regardless of the
>agenda stuff. Happy to be proven wrong, but if you take the long view
>and ignore a lot of history that many newer climbers don't know (and increasingly,
>won't know), then you can definitely expect more bolts to be added than
>pruned to any cliff. Run that out over 500 years and see what you get.
> Think the bolt-gunners hang on chockstone's every posted word? Suspect
>not!
>
>I'm actually curious to see if the mass de-bolting of Windjammer Wall
>(?) will work, and if so for what period... And if Point Perp will re-sprout
>the very small amount of lost ironmongery.
>
>Taking a *huge* step back from climbing's ingrained 'isms', you could
>perhaps understand the perspective of other segments of the community,
>including those that get guided and don't live for climbing like the rest
>of us that are enslaved to it, that having bolts there in case they need
>them (on trad climbs) is better than not.
>
>Again, not condoning. Just cynical.

Its cheaper and easier to take bolts out (yes even recessed rings) than it is to put them in.

Just sayin...