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Excavation at Animal Acts 15-Jun-2012 At 3:19:06 PM Access T CliffCare

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James cultural heritage contribution to the post brings up an issue which is something we all need to be taking more note and care of. I won’t continue this cultural heritage discussion on this thread as I don’t think the excavation around the Animal Acts boulder post is a great place for people to find further information on cultural heritage. It deserves it’s own thread. A couple of comments though strike a chord with me

On 15/06/2012 kieranl wrote:
>On 15/06/2012 egosan wrote:
>>Given that climbers are usually doing their thing in the wilderness far
>>from any government presence. Given that many climbers are the types
>that
>>didn't play lots of team sports and choose to do a relatively solitary
>>pursuit. Given that chockstone is full of poorly socialized shut ins.
>Your
>>fear mongering about the heavy hand of government censure is probably
>not
>>the best way to motivate your audience not to mess about under overhangs.

>>Maybe try to appeal to our innate sense of right and wrong. Attempt
>perhaps
>>to re-align our moral compasses through education.
>Sol,
>James is simply telling it like it is. His earlier posts about archaeological
>implications got some snorts of derision so education about consequences
>probably seemed a more logical step.
>Don't delude yourself that what climbers get up anywhere in the Grampians
>is "far from any government presence". Parks are very aware of climbers
>activities in the Grampians, even in what we consider the remote parts
>of the Victoria Range.
>It isn't hard to find out what the situation with indigenous heritage
>is in our parks and elsewhere. Why is it up to James, another climber,
>to have to spoon-feed us information that is readily available, including
>elsewhere on this forum? Are we so precious that we can't cope with a few
>straightforward facts?

For those that really believe that they are flying under the radar with PV in many of the areas they climb at and those that are being newly developed, you need to think again. This doesn’t mean that these are on some huge list of places to shut down but people’s actions will always be taken into account further down the line, especially when climbers are asking that they self regulate. Which I might add is what land managers want us to do for the most part.
Re Sol's comments on education.
Absolutely.This is the only way forward. Too many signs and rules just saying what not to do is like a mother nagging her children with a never ending list of rules to abide by. They turn off and selective hearing goes on.
Kierans comments
Yes, people need to take it on to also hunt out information that is already out there. Having said that, more can be done in the way of educating and it is a constant job to find ways to present information that is more accessible to all. This hopefully will become a focus point of CliffCare with more time dedicated to this.

I will start a cultural heritage thread as there will be lots more to say and discuss on this over time. More recently with a discussion we had with the Grampians ranger in charge Dave Roberts last year at the Bundaleer/Rosea inspection.
New thread here: Cultural heritage and climbing
http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=1&MessageID=111951&Replies=0

This is why I don't post so much - I find it impossible to contain myself to a couple of lines!

Cheers,
Tracey