I think it comes down to your definition of the style you climb. Nice safe sport routes can easily be fallen on and worked, and id say I can climb 23/24 on this basis (redpoint). A underprotected trad route on the other hand, id say my grade would be about 17 (as this is the trad grade I feel I could do all routes at, first go). Of course a well protected trad climb in the low 20's id have a good chance to get up cleanly, but there is also a good chance id take a rest/fall, so I wouldnt claim to be a grade 21 trad climber. Thats my 2c |