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OT: Human Rights Framework 2-May-2010 At 7:33:17 PM Hendo

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On 2/05/2010 zumojugo wrote:
>2) People come to a country for many reasons. People are more accepting
>of those that come for humanitarian reasons than those that come for economic
>reasons. Are you telling me that if you were living in poverty and you
>could go to another country where hard work might improve your life and
>the life of your family you wouldn't go?

I’m not in that situation so I can’t say for sure but no doubt it would at least cross my mind.

>3) Once you get to your new country and discover that people aren't always
>very nice to you because you look funny and talk funny, wouldn't you look
>for people who treat you as an equal?

It would be clear to me that we are different and hence not equal. I would not expect to be treated perfectly equally to other people. This is realistic. My opinion would be that I am in someone else’s home hence I should do my best to fit in and not cause trouble. I would realize that a large part of the reason I have chosen to come to that country is because I consider it good which is in a large part due to the way the people are there, if I were to try to maintain my differences I could well be changing and damaging that hence another reason to try to fit in. If they have a negative attitude toward me then that is understandable. If I don’t like it I can choose to leave, try harder, ignore it, fight against it, do what I have to survive. Some of those options might make them regret letting me come.

>4) Is a homogenous culture such a good thing?

No culture is going to be purely homogenous. In any case is it such a bad thing? Do you think every country on earth should import cultures from every corner of the globe? You must surely accept that it is ok for some people to want varying limits on diversity.

>If that's what you want
>go to almost any small town in Australia that's far from one of the capital
>cities and stay there. Everyone is the same, nobody has to think, a beautiful,
>blissful redneck wonderland with plenty of "us" and very few of "them".

You don’t seem very positive about small town people. Is this one of the cultures you would reject? If so what makes it different?

>5) OR, stop worrying about immigration, enjoy the fact that it is a sign
>of economic prosperity, enjoy the fact that they are bringing great ideas
>and different culture and get in amongst the wonderful mix of different
>people.

Once again, you can’t just assume it will always smell like roses.

>go and live in Bali, I think you'll find there that
>there are plenty of people just like you treating the locals just like
>shit.

I haven’t been there and seen what you are referring to but from what I imagine I doubt I would condone it. Would you understand if Balinese people there wanted to stop letting these supposed ‘people like me’ come?