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34? 4-Apr-2004 At 11:48:20 PM Onsight

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On 1/04/2004 Mighty Mouse wrote:
>i would certainly not consider this (enforcing a sequence) to be acceptable
>on a personal level-
Thanks Josh. That's what I was interested to know.

>but i do not dictate the ethics of the climbing community...
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>Ben's action certainly seem deserving of a consequence such as invalidation
>of his send, but i don't believe thats up to any individual-
That's right. I don't want to push my personal climbing ethics on the climbing community either. I know what I think, I know what many highly respected climbers think about this issue, we've heard what others have had to say about it on this forum too... But that is one of the reasons I've partaken in this debate - because I want to know what others in the climbing community think about this too. And like you say:
>it is through the acceptance or rejection of such issues by the community
>as a whole that ethics are moulded.
So in that sense your opinion is as important as anyone elses.

>the status
>quo of australian climbing seems to say that since he climbed it in an
>acceptable redpoint style, he gets the send regardless of what happens
>to the climb afterwards.
I think the "validity" side of this debate might be claiming victory a little prematurely. What status quo of Oz climbing? So far I've only seen a few people on this forum put together any sort of argument that suggests that it is valid - and it certainly hasn't convinced me.

Simon