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Tiger Wall - Dribble Bolting? 29-Aug-2009 At 1:06:18 PM otmab

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DRIBBLING

Terrified that the Dribble thread fall off the home page, I'm going to inject a serious post amongst the
behatted rodents.

Firstly, you 'Rats Asses' (See this link for definition of
Chockstone tribes) who are sick of this thread, or feel that it's going 'around in circles', f**k off.
There's a whole world of internet porn out there (with and without rodents) to wrap your heads around.

Some of you seem to think I'm advocating forming a committee to decide what should happen to the
bolts on Dribble. I'm not. Boy that'd be a fun committee though. Could someone nominate me? We'll
need at least 15 others before we have a 'quorum'. If only someone could figure out how to print this
thread, and do so prior to the inaugural meeting.

I'm also not suggesting the formation of an 'Arapilean Safety Committee'. I doubt that any society,
committee, collective, ministry, or other group of people would (or could) take on that absurd
responsibility.

LIABILITY

Some of you are worried about liability and 'insurance'. That's understandable, because in Australia
we're now obsessed with liability and insurance.

Most of us aren't qualified lawyers, and when we talk about this stuff we err (i.e. bulls**t) on the side of
'caution'. I am a qualified lawyer (I don't, and never will practice, and won't give legal advice on what to
do about your drug-related charge).

Let's assume there's a group that makes (legally non-binding) decisions on the preservation of
Arapiles. Here's a few reasons why they won't get sued if someone dies (there are many more)
- First, and most importantly, they don't have any money.
- They don't own Arapiles.
- There are *far* too many links in the chain of causation between a decision to not put in a bolt, and a
climber dying (including major decision points such as the climber deciding to scale the route in the
first place, fully aware of the risks).
- They have no mandate to enforce their decisions other than social influence.

But, don't believe me - research it yourself and look up climbing related lawsuits (outdoors). Years
ago, a climber's family tried to sue Yosemite National Park over a rock fall. It's not particularly
relevant, because YNP isn't a community group, and the issue was park infrastructure that YNP was
legally accountable for. Anyway, the judge threw it out.

By the way, how many times has Safer Cliffs been sued?