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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 15-Jul-2009 At 7:58:52 AM evanbb

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Oh and back to the religion point briefly. Religion is based on belief, and has no real basis in the scientific argument. Our own (quite poor really) scientific argument shows that the answer is not obvious nor easily grasped. So, belief comes into it. But, I don't 'believe' in the science; it's the response that involves belief.

I believe that if there's a risk to the population, and we can take steps that COULD fix it, we might as well do that.

Sceptics, are in my opinion, searching for validation of their own belief. That is, that a risk to their personal wealth and the economy is worth more than the lives of others. You can frame it any way you like, but if you genuinely gave a crap about anyone else except yourself, you would find a way to understand.

I would say Ian Plimer is the classic example. On the board of 4 resource companies, and with a background in geology, he has taken the sceptic's science cause to Australia. He and 3 others have gone to extroardinary lengths to muddy the waters in the debate in Australia, without providing any actual science; you know, measurement, papers and hypothesis. Plimer's book is a story book; no more. Full of anecdotes and no science. He is likely to make a massive financial hit when we start curbing emissions, so he protests vehemently to anyone who will listen. The fact that the media present all views as equal doesn't help the cause.

And RJ's suggestion that "the split is about 50/50" is pretty odd. In Australia, it's more like 4 vs 1000. Of the people who's opinion's count that is. Science is not democratic, not all votes are equal.