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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 24-Jun-2009 At 10:19:37 AM psd

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On 24/06/2009 evanbb wrote:
>On 24/06/2009 TonyB wrote:
>>Have you watched Bob Carter's videos ... these videos demonstrate how
>>global temperatures have been rising and falling for billions of years
>>... all without any help from man ! There's volumes of literature on
>what
>>causes these temperature changes ... changes in the earth's tilt, orbit,
>>solar cosmic rays etc etc etc ...
>
>Tony, Tony, Tony, no one disputes that temperatures have changed in the
>past. Bob Carter is clearly a talented video artist too, and his contribution
>to the scientific debate through the medium of YouTube can not be easily
>discarded.
>
>You've made your points, generally the same ones, quite a few times now,
>and with bigger and bigger graphs and some photos of submarines. We've
>all listened patiently as you've listened to us. Isn't it clear now that
>no one, on either side, is changing their mind? Why not give it a rest
>for a while? Maybe try another climbing forum to Fight The Good Fight,
>against what is obviously a massive global conspiracy. Maybe try Qrank?
>8a.nu?
>
>I can't help but think that the sceptical arguments have some parallels
>with the Area51 theories coming from the states. All sorts of people believe
>there is a cover up, and the more it's debated against, the more they believe
>they're right. Phrases like 'that's exactly what they want you to think'
>have a lot of parallels with 'of course scientists are just following the
>orthodoxy or their funding would be cut' and 'politicians will always do
>what is popular'. It becomes impossible to disprove the conspiracy theory,
>despite there being very little evidence that it actually exists. Doesn't
>mean there is no conspiracy, but it's also not a great theory if it can't
>be disproved.
>
>If you're rusted on to this conspiracy theory Tony, you're in for a hard
>fight. The Governments of the world are acting, spending your money, and
>as far as I can see there's bugger all you can do about it. So I wish you
>strength in your struggle, but I also wish we could stop discussing it
>here. Everyone is going a bit mad with it, myself included, and we really
>should concentrate on climbing. It is a climbing forum after all.

maybe we should just settle this the old fashioned way - Pines showdown style ... one side gets a guitar and a few tabs of acid the others get lump hammers ... alternately we could start debating the evil of dogs again - do dogs increase or decrease global warming, do they even exist?