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Ben Lomond Bolts Removed 18-Apr-2007 At 1:47:33 PM Ronny

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On 18/04/2007 kp wrote:
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>What's the point of ethics then?
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>A bunch of useless rules ...

Its not a bunch of ethics for ethics sake - that would be useless.

The 'ethics' of a particular area affect directly the experience of climbing at that place, and the effect that climbing there has on the environment. They (personal experience and environmental effect) are really what its about.

In the case of Ben Lomond, the decision has been taken (leaving aside question of who can validly make such a decision) to maintain the area in a particular manner so as to provide for a particular experience (climbing at an area without any bolts), and particular environmental effect (no holes).

Neil has described this as 'ethics', cause that's what climbers call it. Arguing over the sematnics of it isn't going to advance things very far.

(Suggesting that aesthetics are in fact relevant would be more useful - that was the point I was arguing agasint above).

James