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Impacts-sport vs trad 12-May-2005 At 11:23:20 AM Rocky

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On 11/05/2005 Fish Boy wrote:
>sorry steph, but i dissagree.....cliffs are trashed by no one else but
>climbers. Look at Araps and imagine no one had ever climbed there.

Check your history fish boy before you open slather, before climbers came to arapiles sheep grazed right up to the base of tiger wall, the whole place was bare from their continual grazing, just like what kangaroos do but worse. if you look at the old old pics arapiles was bare. and look at it now, you might think it is worse but it is much better than when it was left open to grazing. climbers arent the only ones who ruin the landscape at arapiles.

there also used to be a rifle range a few 100m from the base of the watchtower faces (check the memorial site if you dont believe me), and still now you can find heaps of stray bullets at the base of the watchtower faces, and some lodged in cracks.

ppl also used to have weddings and picnics and all manner of celebrations of occasions at arapiles, once again long before ppl climbed here, in the days of horses and carts.

climbers do have an impact on the landscape at arapiles but we're not the only ones, fair crack of the whip.