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Let´s Harden UP!!!!!!!!!!! 14-Dec-2004 At 6:33:52 PM onsight

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On 14/12/2004 nmonteith wrote:
>Prob a troll i imagine...

That's what I thought when I read that (because of the way it was written - and lack of info - particularly the guys name). However I've since heard that there is a really strong Portuguese guy around, and I later heard (independently) that he'd done Serpentine first shot, ground up. Awesome job!

Would be worth knowing if the fixed wires that Robbo refers to (which were also in it late last year) were still in it before calling it an onsight though. Because as Dan and Martin pointed out:
On 5/10/2004 dan wrote:
>Any assent on preplaced gear is a red-point
Which is kinda right except...
On 5/10/2004 dalai wrote:
>If it's climbed first shot on preplaced gear, it's a flash not a redpoint.
And in that case it's not an onsight (not on a mixed gear route like this anyway).

On 5/10/2004 tmarsh wrote:
>Or is the crux putting the natural gear in?
Well, the hardest gear to place is certainly the wires and I reckon it would - or could - make a big difference, particularly if climbing ground up. Not surprised by what Robbo was saying really (hanging on gear obviously makes a big difference too).