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Cant believe this talk about carrots vs rings 1-Nov-2004 At 8:57:20 AM climberman

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rod / shags, fair' nuff. Would add a bit of time over a long route, but ?

If we're talking 'bout the County... well, it's an Eddie Edwards country special kind of place. I'd rather see it retain carrots*. We already have a Shipley Upper, at Shipley Upper.

How is access to the County these days ? Went out for a family craggin day at the Dam Cliffs for the first time in four or five years, made me think of a smooth weekend at the County. So many classics, in any other nation it's be a mega-raved about world class crag. Here it's just the liddle ole' County.

* although if we could replace some of thos eroded holds on such consumer classics as Allied Chemical News, etc, that'd be funny.