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34? 3-Sep-2004 At 12:28:20 PM Onsight

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On 30/08/2004 kenny wrote:
>I know Benjamin well and...
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Geez, Kenny, just showing a few photos.

Kenny, your post is of course personally insulting and quite hypocritical. For starters, what is the point of launching into personal insults and finishing with >peace out, Kenith Rogers. Eh? But, you know what, whatever… I hope you feel better now.

On 30/08/2004 Mighty Mouse wrote:
>kenny the way i feel 'bout it and the vibe i got others was over his actions
>not him as a person....admittedly there was stuff said about 'selfish'
>and the like, but again it was that knocking the hold off is selfish etc.
>not that he is....im sure he does regret it, and obviously something like
>that is going to stir some reactions in the community, but seriously, im
>over it, i would think that most people are, its a shame to hear that he
>isn’t…
Well said Josh. This largely sums it up for me.

A few quick further (final?) points: If that’s how he feels then it’s a pity Ben didn’t realise how this might go down in the broader climbing community. It’s also a pity this whole thing wasn’t reported properly in the first place (re Garths opinion on grade and re the chipping). I’ve spent hours correcting the disinformation on this topic already and there has been no end of opportunity for others, such as Ben himself or Jark, to do something more proactive themselves if they weren’t happy about anything. I thought I'd made it pretty clear that stopping this route from being down-graded was probably not the intention, but I’m saying it’s quite possibly a result. It's not really fair to down-grade a route that hasn't even been repeated, but if this hadn't occurred then it looks like it might have been. It has created a bit of a dilemma. Just shows how short-sighted manufacturing can turn out to be eh?

By the way, if anyone thinks personal insults are going to stop me speaking out on issues I feel are important, then they are wrong! At least have guts to use your real name if you’re going to try though.

And by the way, I’m never going to buy “ya gotta do it MY way”. I’m just not going to succumb to that!

I’VE NOTHING MORE TO ADD ON THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT at this time BUT IF I need to add anything later, then I will!
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Truly a Velvia moment everyone.
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PS, Hex, thanks for watching my back the other night, I didn’t see the sniper sneaking up, he was well disguised.