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CABGs & climbing - a random info thread ...
12:22:46 PM
Wow, that's certainly a path of discovery, recovery and other overies. I've known people whose heart specs have sent specialists into conniptions while continuing to function totally well. It would be very interesting if you had an angiogram for 20 years ago to look at, maybe your heart is just a weirdo unit. Good luck and good health!
7:39:04 AM
Thanks for posting M9. Glad to read things are still on the improve with the recovery!
6:03:42 PM
Good to read of your progress M9. Isn't it a bugger when the doctor has a WTF moment? Luckily my experiences of that have been false alarms so far.
7:46:19 PM
Hey Rod, i too missed this one.
Glad to hear you're on the mend. If you need a hand with anything sing out I'm just down the road. Coming into wood season etc and I'm happy help. Or if you're looking for a reason to ride the treadlie to bright for a cuppa or I'm up for that too.

Cheers G
10:10:55 AM
....maybe the whole situation ...has come about because of another .... tho inter-related spend hours...years...standing in etts...and yor opportiitys for ...and percepion of should be doing 1z and 2z all up the sh#t...

: )

...ud better get bedda soon ...or ul soon look like this...

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7:02:51 PM
Thanks for the thoughts johnpitcairn and dalai.

@ kieranl; WTF moments, like sh#t, happen. I guess we are all, including doctors, on a learning curve while we weave the tapestry of life with our individual threads.

@ lightfoot; Thanks for the offer of giving a hand, though I/we have most things pretty well covered for the time being, and with every passing day I am able to do more, so all is good. I will eventually catch up with you for a cuppa though!

@ ImaSYL; I laughed out aloud at your post and reflected that it is good to still be here in order to do that!
Who knows, you could be right? ... and I will put my experience down to the sins of my youth!

Last page I wrote;
>I'm about to go for my long awaited first push bike ride in 4 months, on easy ground, to see how that goes...

I rode for an hour (11 km) on the easy ground of mostly tar, with a short section of fire trail thrown in for good measure of how vibrations and bumps of uneven terrain affects me; and I'm pleased to report that all is good, though it showed me that they forgot to put my endurance back in when they closed me up again after the retrofit.
To be sure, to be sure, I again rode for an hour and a quarter (another 11 km) the following day on mostly flat-ish fire trails with a little bit of easy single track thrown in to measure how that would go. Once again it went well, though that time frame pulls me up at the moment; as after it I feel like I used to when I finished two and a half hours of solid workout type riding when I left off last October.
~> I guess I will have to ride around the bush some more to try and find the elusive endurance thing... heh, heh, heh; though I'm still not up for anything single track other than the easiest of it.

A further observation on performance and a retrofit allegedly being kind of like being supercharged, re cardio-pulmonary efficiency generally.

At about week six I queried the Cardiologist as to an event where my breathing seemed out of sync with the activity I was doing.
I was bush walking on a track and just surmounted a short rise that was stair-like in nature and the equivalent of going up two floors in a building. Although I didn't feel puffed, my breathing was at a rate commensurate with having just finished a 200 m sprint!
She told me that was due to the Metoprolol drug she had prescribed me, and I could now stop taking it as it was obvious to her from that experience that it was now holding up my recovery progression.

Metoprolol is a drug that slows the heartbeat rate. If one is taking it and 'exercises' to a point where the body demands more oxygen, because the heart can't beat faster to get blood oxygenated through the lungs quicker, then the lungs try to make up the deficiency by going overtime to meet the demand.

It's a potent little pill only 3mm in size and I was on half dosage rate so having to cut the pills in half. She told me not to stop taking it cold-turkey, but to cut the pill into quarters and take a quarter daily for three days to wean off it.
After I got off it, my performance was enhanced magically like having a light switched on, ... though so far that is the only supercharging experience I have had in the process to date.

Other folk may experience different performance aspects with heart conditions, especially heart electrical related issues.

11:40:54 AM
Been a while, so I thought I'd update this again, in case some other unfortunate in similar circumstances ever reads it for info.

It's about six and a half months since the procedure and I've been building up the mountain bike riding over the last three to the point that I'm now back to where I was with it pre-procedure.
Am really enjoying it too, though have spread my (increased) total weekly distance over more rides than before to achieve it.

An interesting side effect of the riding is my weight fluctuating.
In the 3 months of relative inactivity after procedure it went up half a kg, then dropped a kg from that over the initial 3 months of riding.
With increased distances and effort over the last month it has dropped a further kg.
So? That is to be expected is it not?
Maybe, but it caught me by surprise because I've always been active and my (healthy) weight was always pretty stable at a level heavier than time of the procedure.

The shock of the unexpected weight loss was bought home graphically to me by now being able to clearly see the contouring of the wiring beneath the skin holding my sternum together... Doc says nothing to worry about and people who have plates/screws fitted to broken shoulder blades, etc, also often show the contouring of same.
~> There goes my modeling career I guess!
Heh, heh, heh.

Anyway, with the contouring being a question mark in my mind, I bought forward the confirmation x-rays requested by Cardiologist re sternum healing for climbing purposes, from early next month to recently/late this month; and apart from the x-ray people being zealously diligent and taking heaps such that I likely glow in the dark now, I have been given the all clear to resume climbing, but with the caveat to build up into it slowly to avoid any soft tissue type injury.
It seems to me that health professionals are a conservative lot and my best guide is how I feel while being sensitive to not over-doing it and listening to my body for any feedback.

Their caveat won't be hard to adhere to, because I did a single chin up the other day to test feel how it'd go, and thought to myself at the time that one was enough(!), so yes, getting the upper body endurance back will take a little while.

There is probably more I could say as I've thought of things from time to time, but they escape me at the moment.

salty crag
5:01:33 PM
Nice one M9, you'll back on rock soon.

7:49:27 PM
Another update...

Since last post in May, I have largely avoided the Victorian winter with a three month surfing (and occasional deadly riding!), holiday up the east coast of Australia.

Some observations arising out of that time;

* My overall fitness / endurance initially wasn't great for surfing, but it improved.

* At start of that period my weight was relatively stable, but I lost another 1.5 kg over that three months (this despite eating adequately and healthily);... weight which in my opinion I can ill afford losing, as the chest wiring became more evident than ever.

* Cardiologist immediately before that trip gave the okay to resume climbing, and also fine tuned the blood pressure tablet dosage I was on. All good on that front and now have more flexibility to further self refine it if necessary.

* I tried doing some chin-ups during that time and was flat chat doing three consecutively! This despite handling three to four hour surfing sessions okay. Prior to the bypass procedure I could pull 30 chin-ups without much worry, ... though typically finding the last half dozen an increasing struggle to do.

Upon return home I again saw GP, mostly to renew my referrals to Cardiologist and Surgeon, as they expire at 12 months, and I have further ongoing tests scheduled for just after they expire!
The Cardiologist one is particularly important because Vic Roads will auto-cancel my Drivers License if they don't receive an update report at the 12 month mark from same.

The GP also gave me a referral to a Physiotherapist to educate me on further rehabilitation that I can undertake for my upper-body, though I had already started down that track of my own accord by obtaining (and using) some exercise weights and literature about same, so this will supplement nicely.
Have attended Physio and found it helpful with targeted upper body exercise regimes and learning of resistance apparatus usage. I've since obtained a few different weight/strength ginormous rubber bands, and am using them too, to facilitate the process.

Re facilitation. I have also fine tuned my diet to include more protein so as to get back some of the bulk I had before.

Since being home, my mountain biking has further improved and I'm now averaging 75 km per week over three sessions, which is up from the previous 50, and have even got to 100 on a couple of weeks.

But, the all important part (and reason for this post), is that I resumed serious climbing earlier this week with an ascent of Noblesse Oblige at Mt Buffalo!
Okay, it's not that big a deal in the scheme of serious climbing due being a modest grade slab, but it is multipitch, and I did it in approach shoes to make my footwork more precise!
It was great fun. In particular I really enjoyed doing ballerina style step-through moves to avoid the squidging-off tendency of climbing in 'gum boots', compared to the precise adherence of proper rock shoes!
It was a fun day and the two others that I took enjoyed it also; one being an absolute beginner (his first climb ever), and the other being a sport climber wanting to learn multipitch and trad. Both gave positive feedback and want to do more!

Although I could have resumed harder climbing earlier (at 7 months instead of 11), I have not set myself any target other than to enjoy my climbing, especially regarding getting back to thuggish-style (read overhanging) routes. I'm happy to continue working back up to that level and mixing it up with the upcoming Buffalo Aidfest along the way.
10:56:46 PM
Rod, i have never done 30 pull ups.

Your health sounds great and it good to see you out doing it.
Mr Poopypants
5:05:58 AM
G'day Rod

Great to hear you are getting out and about and lapping it up. Sly old fox using his feet and milking the rests. :-) All the best.


4:08:37 AM
Rock on Rod. Great to hear you’re kicking along enjoying yourself and surfing instead of freezing;)

Look after yourself and we’ll catch up for a Bright ride and a buffalo climb;)

3:36:57 PM
Some photos from the day for your interest.
The climb is Noblesse Oblige at Mt Buffalo; 330 m, originally graded 11 but subsequently retro-bolted sparingly by the first ascentionists, and regraded by them to Gd 13*.
(*I still think it's Gd 11).

Noblesse Oblige slab from the road up Mt Buffalo where it crosses Eurobin Ck. Noblesse Oblige takes the slab on the right of the major water course that splits the slab from other climbs.
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Looking back down the third pitch.
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Looking up the fourth pitch.
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A close up taken from the same stance as the last photo.
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Rob approaching the end of 5th pitch.
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Louis at topout of 6th pitch. His expression indicates a sport climber now converted to trad!
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Rob at topout of his first ever climb, contemplating whether or not to do more of it. He has since started looking for rock shoes online, so I guess he enjoyed it!
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Myself not paying attention, and Rob getting away with laying kinks in my rope!
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Strava record of the deadly ride back down to the car parked below the bushbash to base of climb.
The treadly was hidden near topout prior to starting the climb to facilitate our single vehicle transportation arrangements. The climb basically completes the loop.
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7:17:55 PM
Rod, some names, numbers, descriptions, that all looks great. You,re nearly tempting me to tell missus, dogs, work, dss etc, i,m going to aid fest, nb i cant walk right this week but why should that be a problem. If you called this, no i wont go there.....

3:06:54 AM
On 13-Nov-2018 widewetandslippery wrote:
>Rod, some names, numbers, descriptions, that all looks great. You,re nearly
>tempting me to tell missus, dogs, work, dss etc, i,m going to aid fest,
>nb i cant walk right this week but why should that be a problem. If you
>called this, no i wont go there.....

WW&S, I'm not quite on your wavelength with calling it, but have updated my last post with more pictures and detail just for you!
Oh, and your more than welcome to attend the upcoming 2018 Buffalo Aidfest... where we use etriers so your not walking isn't a problem, as aid caters for all infirmities!
8:16:17 PM
Rod, definately out, other life pressures and so many options closer to home. Have fun.

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