On 4/10/2011 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>John Long's explanations of what was going on for the non rock climber viewer, were an enhancement.
John Long's explanations were tripe and made Alex Honnold look like some crazed dude with a death wish. There was no explanation of how solid he must feel on the rock to do what he does, or the numerous times he must downclimb whenever he isn't happy with a particular move, or even the history and progression of the routes he is climbing ie. the first ascent of the North West Face of Half Dome was absolutely cutting edge when first climbed over five days with much aid in 1957, its free ascent in the late 70s was also cutting edge and now Alex's effort is another step again (and one which most climbers would never have imagined possible). In other words he is not just some freak rambling up random cliff faces.
It was a pity really as I would have thought John Long would have been able to put Alex's achievements into some sort of context. I recall a television show many years ago where Greg Matthews (former Australian text cricketer) was dragged up The Bolt Ladder (20) on the Sydney Sea Cliffs by Mike Law. Greg later mentions how Mikl has soloed the route and draws the comparison of Mikl soloing that route as being similar to him facing the fatest West Indian bowlers without any padding or protection and relying purely on his ability as a batsmen to survive. Maybe 60 Minutes should have called on Greg Matthews to commentate.
You are viewing the JL commentary from a knowledgeable climber's perspective simey, and to that end you are entirely correct.
However I suspect that the target audience for that 60 minutes clip was the typical yank TV viewer (bus style tourist to Yosemite type), who would ask questions like "How do they get the ropes up there?"
He (JL) certainly could have provided more information, but to a non-climber I suspect it would have been irrelevant.
~> Would you be interested in the cutting edge timeline of astrophysics according to the conka Kerchoo theory*, or would you rather a (lame to an astrophysicist), generalised overview to get the gist of what was happening, apart from the obvious that you can see?
On 4/10/2011 JDB wrote:
>Alex Honnold's feats are truly remarkable and almost beyold comprehension
>for the 'man on the street' (with or without Mr Long's 'expert' commentary).
I would say Alex Honnold's feats are considered even more remarkable and beyond comprehension by the climbing community. Experienced climbers have a much better idea of the difficulty of what he is climbing in comparison to the 'man on the street'.
>I would say Alex Honnold's feats are considered even more remarkable and
>beyond comprehension by the climbing community. Experienced climbers have
>a much better idea of the difficulty of what he is climbing in comparison
>to the 'man on the street'.
I took that as read, Simey. Chockstone being a climbers forum and all that.
On 4/10/2011 JimmyS wrote:
>I am still trying to figure out how Viagra got the chance to advertise
>on 60 minutes, but hey, must be that kinda audience.
You got a viagra ad? I must have got the post viagra ad - some credit program the woman used to fund baby shopping. Maybe they have a sensor for the sex of the viewer????
On 4/10/2011 JDB wrote:
>On 4/10/2011 simey wrote:
>>I would say Alex Honnold's feats are considered even more remarkable and beyond comprehension by the climbing community. Experienced climbers have a much better idea of the difficulty of what he is climbing in comparison to the 'man on the street'.
>I took that as read, Simey. Chockstone being a climbers forum and all that.
Sorry, thought you meant that non-climbers would be more wowed by Alex's feats than climbers. I do think that 60 Minutes did a very good job overall, but it would have been even better if there was some random footage of someone dressed in a rabbit suit.
Fixed the links.... Couldn't seem to find or rearrange the CODE to embed it : (
A great documentary on Australian Climbing featuring HB, Louise Shepard
and a classic cast of australian climbers. Defo work a check out, especially if you know or have met the personalities. A little window into the goldern era of Australian Climbing. I just wish it went longer and there were more routes...