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Dogs @ Black Ians

dalai

17-Sep-2012
7:05:41 AM

It may not be a National Park, it is a small island of remnant vegetation where native fauna still exists. Why take a non-native animal who's scent will potentially stress this native fauna?


shortman

17-Sep-2012
7:23:13 AM

On 17/09/2012 dalai wrote:
>It may not be a National Park, it is a small island of remnant vegetation
>where native fauna still exists. Why take a non-native animal who's scent
>will potentially stress this native fauna?

Hearsay and speculation are always difficult to comprehend dalai.

My dog is part dingo, unlike myself.


Superstu

17-Sep-2012
8:17:29 AM

Yay for native fauna whether its in or out of national parks.

1080 fox bait has a dual role in both keeping fox numbers down and eliminating annoying domestic dogs off leash.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
8:28:30 AM

On 17/09/2012 Superstu wrote:
>Yay for native fauna whether its in or out of national parks.
>
>1080 fox bait has a dual role in both keeping fox numbers down and eliminating
>annoying domestic dogs off leash.

Yawn....I've met you Stu. You seemed smarter to me.


rodw

17-Sep-2012
8:42:44 AM

Take the dog shorty if its not Nat park....I've been to a lot of crags with lots of climbers and often dogs are the better company out of the lot of them..but seriously why ask here on chocky?....the response you got what I would expect as par for the course.


Superstu

17-Sep-2012
8:47:33 AM

On 17/09/2012 shortman wrote:
>Yawn....I've met you Stu. You seemed smarter to me.

Well you complained that people were being silent on this topic. So i gave you an opinion. It differs from yours. Deal with it!

Maybe you should use a little of your amazing intelligence and learn a little about indigenous ecology. There are valid reasons why domestic dogs are not welcome in national parks. Those reasons are still valid beyond national park boundaries.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
8:51:13 AM

On 17/09/2012 Superstu wrote:
>On 17/09/2012 shortman wrote:
>>Yawn....I've met you Stu. You seemed smarter to me.
>
>Well you complained that people were being silent on this topic. So i
>gave you an opinion. It differs from yours. Deal with it!
>
>Maybe you should use a little of your amazing intelligence and learn a
>little about indigenous ecology. There are valid reasons why domestic dogs
>are not welcome in national parks. Those reasons are still valid beyond
>national park boundaries.
>
>
>

Let's find an indigenous representative and ask them if they would prefer dogs or white men?


Superstu

17-Sep-2012
8:52:27 AM

Its like arguing with a four year old!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_(ecology)


shortman

17-Sep-2012
8:57:17 AM

On 17/09/2012 Superstu wrote:
>Its like arguing with a four year old!
>
Yeah my daughter often asks for a 3rd parties opinion during a discussion.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
9:06:07 AM

On 17/09/2012 Superstu wrote:
>On 17/09/2012 shortman wrote:
>>Yawn....I've met you Stu. You seemed smarter to me.
>
>Well you complained that people were being silent on this topic. So i
>gave you an opinion. It differs from yours. Deal with it!
>

Just so your not confused, go back and read the thread and ask yourself if I really complained. Then check if we actually have differing opinions and then check about whether I'm dealing with it or not.


tnd

17-Sep-2012
9:07:12 AM

Don't feed [moderated reference to shortman], Stu, it's not worth the effort.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
9:08:53 AM

On 17/09/2012 rodw wrote:
>..but seriously why ask here on chocky?....the response you
>got what I would expect as par for the course.

To stir the pot and a big F you to all the self righteous hypocritical dog haters.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
9:16:40 AM

On 17/09/2012 tnd wrote:
>Don't feed the retard, Stu, it's not worth the effort.

Hook line and sinker.

I rest my case.


Superstu

17-Sep-2012
9:41:39 AM

I can't be bothered finding the link on the Nat Parks website explaining why cats and dogs aren't welcome in national parks, but I will take the fine opportunity to ramble on about one of my favourite topics, bandicoots.

A year or two ago there was an amazing discovery in my local Sydney Inner West neighbourhood - a couple of long nosed bandicoots had turned up living bushland around a disused railway line. They were long considered extinct from this area; for those not acquainted with Sydney suburbs, the inner west is roughly the same population density of brunswick to northcote, very urban and a mix of industry and medium density living. NPWS zoologists were initially skeptical about the finding, but they were positively identified, and so amid excited jubilation, there was wild speculations about how they survived in such a limited habitat. As the disused railway line was targeted for development as a light rail and bike path (and changing state governments with varying priorities over the project) it was even suggested that some rabid greenies had introduced them from elsewhere. (why didn't I think of that??). More realistic theories were that they migrated from elsewhere or had been pushed out of a nearby disused industrial site that was being redeveloped. Anyway the reason the zoologists were skeptical was that it was assumed that bandicoots, being cute native fauna that is vulnerable to predation by domestic cats and dogs (and foxes) and small populations are unlikely to survive in limited habitats due to this.


rodw

17-Sep-2012
9:44:50 AM

Just to get thread back on track..isn't the crag in question not a Nat Park?..if its a nat park its a slam dunk NO....but if its not then its up to shorty if he wants to take his dog.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
9:48:02 AM

On 17/09/2012 rodw wrote:
>Just to get thread back on track..isn't the crag in question not a Nat
>Park?..if its a nat park its a slam dunk NO....but if its not then its
>up to shorty if he wants to take his dog.

Totally agreed.


StuckNut

17-Sep-2012
2:10:05 PM

I can vouch for Jobe, he's a lot better behaved than a lot of climbers I've had the misfortune to share the crag with.

He's also a better belayer than Shortman.


ajfclark

17-Sep-2012
2:14:33 PM

The adjoining land that you park/camp on is private property kindly opened up by the Bell family. Given the facilities they provide for minimal charge, I think it'd be good to keep them on side.

Their phone number is available in the book at the campsite and the whitepages (search for Bell in Mockinya) so you could call them and ask if they mind having dogs on that land.


shortman

17-Sep-2012
2:33:30 PM

Thanks Andrew.

widewetandslippery

17-Sep-2012
3:11:12 PM

Wow a lot of people have dog issues.

Shortman asked if he was breaking the law or seriously pissing people off. Way more considerate than most. Things may of changed but I didn't think of black ians as a busy crag and therefore little reason to piss a climber off.

Not a national park.

Placid dog. I wouldn't take my bitch there but mary is mary.

The tip about the landowners is a good one.

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