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General Climbing Discussion

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Upside down
TonyB
7-Jun-2007
7:31:33 AM
I've been climbing for about 12 years but I'm new to leading. It appears to me that there are positions when leading that could cause a climber to flip upside down in the event of a fall, resulting in a head injury. For example when flagging, say facing right, with the left foot high and close to the right hand, the rope can either pass to the right of the body or to the left on the cliff side. If the right hand slips, the body will rotate right with the rope pulling in the same direction and inverting the climber. However keeping the rope away from the cliff would I assume, usually make clipping easier. Can anyone give any advice from experience please ?

rodw
7-Jun-2007
8:03:44 AM
Yep can happen so wear a helmet.

juergen
7-Jun-2007
8:45:57 AM
and more important, watch your rope!
you already figured why it is important to know where you stand in rel. to your rope,
take it easy,
J

Sabu
7-Jun-2007
9:36:16 AM
yea as said before, watch your rope, watch your feet and position and i stress: wear a helmet.

cruze
7-Jun-2007
9:45:58 AM
I have fallen upside down a couple of times. On both occasions it was a froggy/high step type move with insecure hand holds. Hands blew, and feet stayed on, cartwheeling me over backwards. Not much you can do about that. Bolt placement/slack out relative to such a move also plays a big part. I always wear a helmet, because in my opinion a blow (even minor) to the back of the head is enough to cause damaging subarachnoid haemorrhage.
Snowball
7-Jun-2007
10:17:54 AM
On 7/06/2007 cruze wrote:
>in my opinion a blow (even minor) to the back of the head is enough to cause >damaging cerebral odema.

Very unlikely, possibly subarachnoid haemorrhage?

Paulie
7-Jun-2007
10:26:14 AM
I almost axed myself at the Grease Cave (what an appropriate name), Thomson's Pt when I forgot to pass the rope through the waist loop on my harness.

I had only passed it through the leg loop, took a fall a few metres off the deck which automatically flipped me upside down.

My head missed a huge ledge by about 1 foot...I'm bloody lucky and now triple check that I've tied in through BOTH loops!

Paulie

cruze
7-Jun-2007
10:31:12 AM
On 7/06/2007 Snowball wrote:
>On 7/06/2007 cruze wrote:
>>in my opinion a blow (even minor) to the back of the head is enough to
>cause >damaging cerebral odema.
>
>Very unlikely, possibly subarachnoid haemorrhage?

Yeah that's it. Thanks. Original post edited.
widewetandslippery
7-Jun-2007
11:40:32 AM
Rod, helmets are gay. (as in full stop)
patto
7-Jun-2007
12:14:53 PM
The fact that you are aware that your rope positioning is important shows more awareness than some veteran climbers. This is not taught or emphasised much. Flipping can happen even without complicated moves. All you need to do is step over the climbing rope and it can catch you leg as you fall and flip you.

Advice:
Wear a helmet.
AVOID having the rope passing through your legs.
Wear a helmet.


Too many recent deaths have been from head injuries. I don't understand why you would climbing without a helmet. Though naturally your number safety is don't fall and place good protection and hopefully you wont have to rely on your helmet.

gordoste
7-Jun-2007
12:25:31 PM
On 7/06/2007 patto wrote:
>Advice:
>Where a helmet.
>AVOID having the rope passing through your legs.
>Where a helmet.

Didn't they teach you how to use the question mark?
As in: Where a helmet?

Sorry but you can't post on the internet without expecting smart-ass comments on your grammar and spelling.
Snowball
7-Jun-2007
12:39:36 PM
On 7/06/2007 patto wrote:
>Too many recent deaths have been from head injuries.

Where is the evidence of this, and where is the evidence of helmets making a difference to the outcome of past deaths from head injuries?

I'm not against wearing helmets, that's a personal choice, just unsubstanciated claims.
dalai
7-Jun-2007
12:57:04 PM
On 7/06/2007 patto wrote:
>The fact that you are aware that your rope positioning is important shows
>more awareness than some veteran climbers. This is not taught or emphasised
>much. Flipping can happen even without complicated moves. All you need
>to do is step over the climbing rope and it can catch you leg as you fall
>and flip you.
>
>Advice:
>Where a helmet.
>AVOID having the rope passing through your legs.
>Where a helmet.
>
>
>Too many recent deaths have been from head injuries. I don't understand
>why you would climbing without a helmet. Though naturally your number
>safety is don't fall and place good protection and hopefully you wont have
>to rely on your helmet.

Awareness of the rope is paramount. Given I climbed a bit over the years and never flipped upside down, not even once! So I didn't and don't wear a helmet. It's personal choice and a one of the many decisions one makes prior to stepping off the ground.

So great if people wear them but fine if they don't...

cruze
7-Jun-2007
1:01:02 PM
Oh, oh. Here we go again.

Actually before we start let me summarise:

Some people wear helmets.
Some people don't wear helmets.
Helmets are cool.
Helmets are gay.
Wearing a helmet makes you indestructible.
Wearing a helmet makes you hot.

ghost
7-Jun-2007
1:14:19 PM




dalai
7-Jun-2007
1:34:39 PM
Speaking of which... Is anyone else catching the Dalai Lama this weekend in Melbourne?

pat
7-Jun-2007
1:44:10 PM
On 7/06/2007 Paulie wrote:
>I almost axed myself at the Grease Cave (what an appropriate name), Thomson's
>Pt when I forgot to pass the rope through the waist loop on my harness.
>
>I had only passed it through the leg loop, took a fall a few metres off
>the deck which automatically flipped me upside down.
>
>My head missed a huge ledge by about 1 foot...I'm bloody lucky and now
>triple check that I've tied in through BOTH loops!
>
>Paulie

Paulie, I hope that you mean the bottom of the tie in loop not your leg loop?

rodw
7-Jun-2007
1:54:44 PM
On 7/06/2007 widewetandslippery wrote:
>Rod, helmets are gay. (as in full stop)

Somthing gotta hide my bald patch.
dalai
7-Jun-2007
1:56:29 PM
Take up bouldering. That way regardless of the weather you will always wear your beenie... ;-)

Sabu
7-Jun-2007
2:24:29 PM
On 7/06/2007 Snowball wrote:
>On 7/06/2007 patto wrote:
>>Too many recent deaths have been from head injuries.
>
>Where is the evidence of this, and where is the evidence of helmets making
>a difference to the outcome of past deaths from head injuries?
Enough people have died from head injuries while climbing snowball, one of which was very recent.

Heres one example of a helmet being useful (just for you): http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=5&MessageID=2577&Replies=9

This of course isn't empirical evidence that helmets save lives. but i reckon it would be save to assume that they do help lessen any damage.

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