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Ask yourself - should marijuana be legalised?


Rich

22-Aug-2005
10:23:13 PM

yeh i think a lot of the 'non-first-hand' descriptions of effects outlined above by well-intended people perhaps might be a little exaggerated! Don't believe everything you read or see on tele guys!
Having said that, drugs have been known to affect people in different ways but as neil said above, generally the more you smoke at one time, joints or bongs (they both do the same thing guys!), the less you could be bothered doing anything at all, especially anything that involved stuff remotely like exercise. One thing you would more likely to be, is overly cautious.. ever wondered why people drive slow when they're stoned? Cos they think they going well fast enough already thanks!
Again, as neil said, being drunk is much much more likely to lead to bad decision making (see night climbing muldoon at 2am.. hmm).. combine the two drugs (yes don't forget alcohol is a drug too) and now you're asking for trouble.
Another thing, the longer you have been smoking the higher your resistance.. so the effects Joe Blow who's only had a couple of joints in his life would feel after a few tokes could be quite similar to what a regular smoker would feel after say 6 bongs.
I haven't climbed much stoned, not a regular smoker either for the electronic record (u got that big brother?), but have tested it out a couple of times at araps to see what the effects would be... first on chinese algebra and really the main difference was slightlier sweatier hands and yes my gear was still bomber and held a fall at the crux.. (bugger - the fall, not the gear) and then seconded continuum no probs and same weekend, did soemthing i forget in yesterday gully then repeated in lemon butter no worries. On that I noticed that I was able to relax a bit more where it is a lil run out and realise what i was capable of rather than stuff around looking for stuff thats not there. Again my gear was bomber which was confirmed by my seconder (not that i doubted myself, this is just for you guys!).
At a guess, the people described by the original poster may have been careless by nature. I can't fathom forgetting to tie in properly just because i had a smoke and forgetting clips.. ha, only intentionally!


PreferKnitting

22-Aug-2005
10:24:41 PM

The Mexican chilli episode was veery funny.

Monkey man

22-Aug-2005
10:39:11 PM

Yeah good call Rich. I believe a lot has to do with the persons nature. I certainly enjoy a cone after bouldering, and it can be great when bouldering, if you start feeling tired and sore - have a cone and feel fired up again! That said when climbing stoned (rarely happens) I am responsible enough to not have too much, be concious that I am a little bent and thus stay within my confidences and limits.


nmonteith

22-Aug-2005
10:47:32 PM

We need a disclaimer for this website

- high level drug use -


LittleJames

22-Aug-2005
11:19:28 PM

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Sabu, generally speaking, you don't "trip" on dope. (Paranoia, occasionally, and psychosis, quite possibly, particularly if you're a heavy teenage smoker, but not tripping in the "All of a sudden, the sky was filled with what looked like giant bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car" sense).

It's still my opinion that weed is a less harmful drug than alcohol. Whether that makes it a candidate for legalisation is a tricky one - equally, one could argue for the illegalisation of alcohol. But personally, of all the fights I've seen started by intoxicated people, approximately none have been started by someone who's baked.


cheesehead

22-Aug-2005
11:40:54 PM

>but not tripping in the "All of a sudden, the sky was filled with what
>looked like giant bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the
>car" sense).

Yeah, leave that one to Ethanol.

>It's still my opinion that weed is a less harmful drug than alcohol. Whether
>that makes it a candidate for legalisation is a tricky one - equally, one
>could argue for the illegalisation of alcohol. But personally, of all the
>fights I've seen started by intoxicated people, approximately none have
>been started by someone who's baked.

True that. I don't understand (physiologically) why alcohol is socially and legally acceptable, whereas marijuana isn't.
Politically it makes sense (look up the history of DuPont, and cotton v hemp growing), but surely that isn't still having effect, unless BB's Thought Police are bigger than I thought?


nmonteith

23-Aug-2005
12:01:06 AM

Hunter S. Thompson's ashes will be blasted from a cannon mounted inside a 53-foot-high sculpture of the
journalist's "gonzo fist" emblem, his wife said Tuesday. "It's expensive, but worth every penny," Anita
Thompson said. "I'd like to have several explosions. He loved explosions."

jmgh

23-Aug-2005
2:16:44 AM

On 22/08/2005 Rich wrote:
>One thing you would more likely to be, is overly
>cautious.. ever wondered why people drive slow when they're stoned? Cos
>they think they going well fast enough already thanks!

We used to have a ' safety meeting ' before bouldering, took the edge off and reduced the desire to get too high ( pun intended ). Personally, bouldering without a smoke is like sex without a woman, it's ok but it's never quite as much fun. On the other hand I'm incapable of leading while stoned, too many doubts that what i'm doing is a good idea. and anyone who may be appalled that climbers could be drug users, how many of you know about Hermann Buhl and his amphetamines? and you should hear the stories that won't make it to a public forum. Needless to say my response to the OP is yes and as for the two wasters in the gym, I've a soft spot for natural selection. :-)


IdratherbeclimbingM9

23-Aug-2005
8:38:37 AM

>Hunter S. Thompson's ashes will be blasted from a cannon.
Gung-ho journalism has lost a milestone.
Wonder how Hells Angels Bikie Gang/s view his passing?

Goodvibes

23-Aug-2005
1:35:39 PM

Hey Sabu, all I can say is that you must have some very lame friends mate. You don't start tripping after punching a few cones. I bet most of the anti pot brigade is quite happy to go out and get pissed every weekend, ever thought about how harmful alcohol is???

For those with experience there is nothing wrong with punching a few before heading out for the day or even right before pulling on. Herbal breakfasts are a must on any climbing and surfing trip and yet strangely enough here I am alive and well to tell the tale.

We used to punch hash cones on the drive up to the gym and during breaks all the time. We were never totally out of it, just enough to make pulling on plastic a bit more fun, strangely enough we never had a mis hap. Now the gym is located in my garage it is not so much of an issue. Don't be too quick to start calling people retards just bacause they like doing things stoned.

Bob Saki

23-Aug-2005
1:43:25 PM

. Don't be
>too quick to start calling people retards just bacause they like doing
>things stoned.

now that's a fair crack o' the whip

and BTW Cheesehead
I think you finds it's Ether not ethanol - sorry to be a pedant!


kezza

23-Aug-2005
2:14:33 PM

On 23/08/2005 Goodvibes wrote:

>Don't be too quick to start calling people retards just bacause they like doing
>things stoned.

What suddenly made smoking drugs cool? Calling you names because you like to do things stoned seems to be a small price to pay for doing such a stupid thing.
Not that I am totally against smoking marijuana. But EVERY time you climb indoors, EVERY time you boulder. Seems a bit excessive, or perhaps just an addiction. But I bet you could quit any time you want ey.

My 2 cents

-Kerryn-


DaCrux

23-Aug-2005
2:16:33 PM

>I bet most of the
>anti pot brigade is quite happy to go out and get pissed every weekend,
>ever thought about how harmful alcohol is???
It is a lot more harmful than dope - especially when consumed in large quantities for prolonged periods of time. And it seems that one can't live without their liver but they can live without their brain cells.

>Don't be
>too quick to start calling people retards just bacause they like doing
>things stoned.
Fair enough. I'm sure those guys were retards long before they started smoking. But when their judgment is impaired and they are obviously intoxicated after a couple of cones - maybe they should stay at home and watch a couple of climbing DVDs and then tell all their mates about all the sick routes they lead.... at their local gym.


Gunta Skirtpulla

23-Aug-2005
2:38:02 PM

Kids. Remember, it's all about moderation.
Do too much pot over a long period of time and pressto, you are going to change your brain function.
Too many chems, same deal. binge drinking - liver disorders..etc. Eat too much food, drink too much piss
and don't get enough exercise - look like half the population of Australia and our obese American friends.
But remember, good coffee should be consumed in large quantities on a regular basis.


ShinToe Warrior

23-Aug-2005
3:15:32 PM

Mike could change the icon for TRIP reports from a kombi to a perforated square of blotter paper

**yes I realise that one doesn't experience hallucinations from pot use, though one can experience
extreme relaxation and heightened kinaesthetic awareness ;^)
probably ok for bouldering, where all you are concerned with is the moves

dalai

23-Aug-2005
3:21:54 PM

On 23/08/2005 Gunta Skirtpulla wrote:
>But remember, good coffee should be consumed in large quantities on a
>regular basis.

Hmmmm, brewed coffee... Totally agree G S.

hammok_climber

23-Aug-2005
6:35:00 PM

It is illegal because problems can stem from it, and because the government cant tax it.
Mostly the tax.

I don’t know if smoking could help a person climb better grades. Maybe it makes you think your climbing better, maybe it’s the secret behind all grade 34+ climbers. I don’t care. It’s dangerous to believe that any drug can hold that ability, regardless of safety and judgement skills. Especially an addictive drug, which this one is.

So remember, smoke pot, check your knot.


Rich

23-Aug-2005
6:55:44 PM

On 23/08/2005 hammok_climber wrote:

>
>So remember, smoke pot, check your knot.

damn! thats a good slogan.. i'd copyright that if i was u..

hammok_climber

23-Aug-2005
7:05:05 PM

© I hereby shotgun all use of the term “smoke pot check your knot” as of Tuesday 23 August 2005. My attorney, Dr Gonzo, assures me that this is a legal statement that can be used in court. Permission to use the above term should be requested in writing, under payments of cakes and cookies.

jmgh

23-Aug-2005
7:24:39 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1554563,00.html

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