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Poll Option

Votes

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Figure 8 (no stopper)

12%

Single Bowline (no stopper)

Double Bowline (no stopper)

Figure 8 (with stopper)

56%

Single Bowline (with stopper)

Double Bowline (with stopper)

24%

I just thread it a couple times untill i feel safe

ropes why bother

Topic Date User

Im Knots About Climbing 20-May-2007 At 11:04:10 AM Ronny

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On 19/05/2007 bomber pro wrote:
>On 19/05/2007 tastybigmac wrote:
>>fig8 is also really easy to check. only the really stupid people have
>trouble with this.
>
>The knot I use is way better than the 8 and easy to check! unless you
>don't understand how to tie it!
>same as an 8 I suppose, if you didn't know how to tie an 8 then it would
>be hard to check!
>the rethreaded bowline is better than a double twist bowline, as it passes
>twice through the harness.
>That makes it IMPOSSIBLE to come undone!
>Then just rethread it as you would rethread an 8, simple.
>Also can't be half tied, and then forgotten about, like Mike law on Boy
>Racer, as it's tied in one motion.
>Very easy to check! you just have to know how to tie it, just like an
>8 in that regard I suppose.
>Then finish with a stopper knot, totally bomproof, then unties easily
>after a big fall, unlike the 8.

Hey Bomb, this is crap really. I tie in with this knot - so I agree that its better than the fig 8 in certain circumstances. But you can definitely half tie it - you just stop midway (say before you thread it back through your harness...). How is it any more 'one-motion' than re-threading a fig 8? Presumably you mean that you don't tie one knot in the rope, then thread through harness, then re-thread. But this really ain't much different to threading rope through harness, tieing knot, rethreading through harness, rethreading through knot...

The deal with knowing how to tie it is that if you mess the bowline up, you might have a problem. Whereas with a fig 8, so long as you start with a fig 8 or something similar, and re-thread it through a number of times (but say in the wrong directions) its probably going to hold anyway, as the original knot will tighten up and hold it. So its completely useless to say 'you just have to know how to tie it' - of course you do. Any knot will hold right if you know how to tie it correctly and do so.

The poll should have an option for 'fig 8 in some circumstances, bowline in others'. I'd vote for that. Horses for courses really...