On 16/06/2016 gfdonc wrote:
>Rings and U's meet EN959 if placed properly. Carrots don't. 'Nuff said.
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Umm, actually No, they don't necessarily...
Unless actually certified on the product, or maybe individually tested, you can't simply claim compliance. certainly not for some home made ring (including chinese bulk buys) or hardware bought Ubolt...
There are certainly certified rings, and possibly U's, and there are definitely certified fixed-hangers. EN959 extracts that I have seen have a fixed hanger in the diagram. I suppose there may also be certified removable hangers, logically there should be able to be...
So now to carrots, the issue was a removable hanger on a hanger less bolt. aka a Carrot even when its a Gimby (Glued In Machine Bolt, Yeah!) which is very common these days and often still mistaken called carrots, Anyway Gimby can certainly be certified and Carrots could be individually tested for conformity.
Finally EN959 does not in any way guarantee that your carabiner is not going to detach from the attachment point but rather that the attachment point shouldn't pull out of rock that is far harder then Blueies sandstone . . . even when placed properly . . .
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