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Tents and camping gear 9-Sep-2005 At 12:14:15 PM kerroxapithecus

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I did say "one may have an intellectual disability meaning skills are often rote learned"

I did say "often" but this may not have been the best way to put it but it is quite accurate from what I know about the condition known as intellectual disability, particularly the moderate to profound group. but the statement is a far cry from saying people with an intellectual disability have no insight into their actions or existence and are akin to dogs learning tricks. That could be seen as offensive. Being accused of judging and belittling is hurtful because it is a form of judging and belittling. It's best to enquire as to what the person means rather than to react harshly in the first instance. I attended a talk last week by a renowned clinical psychologist specialising in assessing people with intellectual disabilities. This is not the place to continue this discussion so I will move over the HaveachatwithHexy thread to give some information about what was said about people with intellectual disabilities and the difficulty for them in learning and achieving basic living skills, even when they have strengths in some areas. Adaptive behaviour weaknesses are also relevant.

My main point here was that it is likely that everyone who comes to this forum has the ability....the ability to use correct grammar etc. If they do not it is likely to be because they don't give a toss....that's their right, they're not being judged or belittled and a request that they use sentences from some other punter surely cannot be seen to be some form of judgement about them or their education, socioeconomic status or intelligence. To assume that it is could be seen as discrimination or stereotyping.

Most forums have a section for general discussion that is not related to the forum theme. It would help if chockstone had a section called "Climbing Discussion" and another called "General Discussion" for all the crap that goes on here. People can then move over there for off-topic bunkum and squabbling.....just a suggestion.