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Ascenders from hell??? 18-Aug-2010 At 11:28:48 AM aarond

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i always clip a beiner through the top anyway, even when i had used the other brands.. maybe its just my overkill but i didn't like the idea of something getting twisted and next thing the ascender is hanging next to me.

its like anything, you probably shouldn't be only on 1 point of contact to the rope with 1 ascender anyway.. use 2... or tie a knot back into your harness every couple of meters..
and practice with them not on a cliff, the amount of times when i first started climbing i climbed a tree in the back yard and practiced rope techniques etc and got stuck 2m off the ground i remember thinning wow im glad i did this here and not 10 pitches up elcap or something.

they aren't going to sell gear with all the standard ratings if they're not safe. you just have to be aware of how to use everything properly.
I use a Faders SUM for sport climbing and some people are like OH THATS DEATH!!! so dangerous!! - i rekon they are rad! sooooo much better than grigri's

anyway my point is i think the N Force are Rad!!