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My very first ground fall. 13-May-2010 At 1:43:15 PM Paz

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On 12/05/2010 noclimberboys wrote:
>I think simey makes a good point here.
>
>>When I am so pumped that I can't think straight, I use the few brain
>cells still receiving oxygen to >place more gear instead of rushing the
>next move and hoping for the best.
>
>>The reality is that if you want to climb harder routes you need to learn
>to place gear in strenuous >situations and shake-out effectively. Taking
>a silly risk to get up some intermediate route is not going to help you
>in the long term to climb harder routes safely.

>
>And MiklLaw also makes a good point.
>>One other thing, it's not a gym; you shouldn't be falling off unexpectedly.
>Particularly not on crap >gear
>
>Egosan's response...
>>Really? Wow. In know I really shouldn't be flippant, but Mikl, how did
>you come to that conclusion?
>
>>We have all seen Neil's ground fall video. Another fabulous example of
>what not to do. What >about you Mikl? What hard lessons are you going to
>share with us?
>
>and
>>No argument from me on that point Mikl. Trad close to the deck is a bad
>place to fall. I suspect >much of the thing that terrifies you is bleeding
>over from the world of sport climbing where >dogging up routes is a common
>practice.
>
>Does anyone else get a hint of ego in Egosan's tone? The irony...

Did anyone else throw up a little at the lameness of the above comment....
>
>My personal opinion, is that taking ground falls shouldn't be considered
>a right of passage and something that every climber goes through. It's
>something to be avoided.

Really!!! tell us more wise Sensai.....
>
>Reading between the lines, if you lead The Rack with difficulty and then
>took a ground fall from a grade 16 climb then maybe you should be concentrating
>on climbing grades below that and concentrate on learning to place *really*
>good gear in an situation that isn't taxing. Once you've mastered that
>then you might start testing your good gear placement abilities in more
>strenuous situations.
>

why preface your comments with such ignorant remarks like, "in my personal opinion" and "on another note"....of course it's your opinion, you're writing the drivel....

....
>And on another note - What is your perception of your current ability?
>And what is the actual reality of your ability? Maybe you need to ask people
>you climb with? Are you dangerous, reckless or did you just have a lapse
>of focus? Or were you trying to impress some woman (trust me - flailing
>around on a climb and then taking a grounder on an intermediate route is
>not the way forward)? You need an honest friend to assess these and give
>you feedback... since Simey's and MiklLaw's (two very knowledgeable people)
>advice is not held in high regard.

I don't think I'd like you noclimberboys......I imagine you'd be selfcentred and absolutely full of yourself....prancing around the campground with couple of pigtails talking lame shi*t to whoever is unfortunate enough to have to listen about the ways people should really impress women and consolidate at least 200 climbs of the same grade before moving on and even then with only the written permission of 5 individuals who you trust to give you a completely indifferent opinion....fukc that....why not just climbing in a fukcing gym....

grades are a guide....... of course egosan knew all the sh*t that's been suggested in this topic...the reality is it's a different story when you're actually climbing, your mind can spend ages being paranoid about a piece of pro, and you can also get far to careless when placing pro on routes that are below your limit....
this mental fight is what makes trad climbing so fukcing addictive....
I'm sorry I don't hold your advice in "high regard"....