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QUT and affiliates sued for $8m Kangaroo Point 30-May-2017 At 4:23:31 PM rightarmbad

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On 30/05/2017 Wendy wrote:
>Forgets he is rap cleaning? Had he taken too many drugs or got early onset
>alzheimers? If he can forget he was rap cleaning, he could also forget
>he was on lead and not place gear. Forget he was on belay and not hold
>the rope. The entire set up is different for rap cleaning. He wouldn't
>have an end of the rope to lean back on to because he would have threaded
>the rope and thrown the end down, put his belay device on it etc etc.
>
>Lean back on the rope before you unclip if you want. It's not really harming
>anybody. But if you are at the end of a long pitch with rope drag and poor
>communication, i wouldn't expect the rope would be tight enough to check
>that without a lot of yelling to take in anyway. Most of the times in climbing
>you just have to trust your belayer is on the ball. There's always a mutual
>responsibility.
>
>I don't know that the problem is in the the practice of sitting back on
>the rope without having the safety on. It's a far more universal problem
>whereby we need to ensure that people are being taught and reinforced safe
>practices and principles and develop the capacity to assess a situation
>and make a good judgement of what to do. Poor judgement is the major factor
>in most climbing accidents and in some ways, insisting that there is only
>one way to do things inhibits people's development of judging when one
>thing or another is the best practice. Not that we live in a society that
>is doing much to encourage people's capacity to think and assess for themselves
>in the first place.

KP is a circus of noise and distractions.
Habits can lead you astray.
If they were up there and their usual thing is to clean and lower, then they might certainly get distracted by another in the group, chat whilst they work and forget that they had changed their descending strategy.
Especially younger flirtatious year olds.

I am not proposing any one way of doing things apart from checking the system, just like you do with a Gri Gri, check that it locks up when pulled before climber takes off.
How many times have you hear of misthreaded Gri Gris?

If it is your habit to check the system during safety critical times, then you have another layer between you and injury.

In relation to the criticism of older people hanging around UNI clubs, bloody hell, they are short staffed with eyes, leadership and competency already, you should be encouraging older folk to join in and mentor as much as possible.
More experienced eyes may spot trouble brewing before accidents happen.
Also suggest and help implement better teaching and testing competency.

Just because your head is twisted with sexual predator bias doesn't mean that a 30, 40 or 50 YO wants to get in every 22 YO girls pants.
Ever thought that they may enjoy passing on what they know?
Or enjoy the company of younger folks when a lot of their peers simply don't do or understand more adventurous activities?

And Mr ADHD should encourage safe undertakings with newer climbers, not go around skyting how he throws himself off into his belayer's arms with gay abandone, because, you know, that just how it is done.