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Miguel75 and PhillipIvan go gardening. 24-Feb-2014 At 9:38:45 PM phillipivan

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On 24/02/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>[something about HB and Fants preferring fruit]

I imagine the moisture content makes it more palatable; if it doesn't get trashed.

>>I will try clipping the daisy going to the upper jumar through a biner
>>on a pack chest strap in the future. In fact I'll try it tomorrow and
>see
>>how it fares.
>
>I will be surprised if you do not find it a good tactic.

I'll let you know. Mikey and I are meeting up for a few hours tomorrow and will try a few things.

>Daisys...
>>I would only consider this viable for 'easy aid' (what ever that means).
>>I may experiment with the idea, but not to save weight, but to cut down
>>on tangles and bulk around your tie-ins. Any thing where you have reasonable
>>cause to believe gear may pop under you probably warrants them. I don't
>>generally find this to be the case with the gear on OziD. I also expect
>>it would make busting the odd free climbing move or two a bit easier.
>>A lost Ett would slow you down more than any time you may hope to save.
>>In reality what I may experiment with, is a single daisy that gets used
>>on an as needs be basis.
>
>I see some merit in a single daisy on easy aid (agree with 'whatever that
>means'!), but going back to your earlier point of cutting down tangles;
>I find daisies great for that! Simply drop the tangled ett and let the
>daisy unwind the tangle!

I do that often.
One specific thing I can recall that prompted the idea, was free climbing from above a rivet, or trying to, where it was awkward to move off it and then reach back and unclip it. If there wasn't a dasiy on it, it would have been less awkward.

>>>Another option is to rig so you can sit on the daypack, instead of taking
>a belay seat...
>>That's one idea of your's, M9, I don't think I'll try. A) because it
>will restrict access to stuff in the pack whilst belaying (food, camera,
>water,
>>rain jacket) and (b) some of my packs (battered as they are) might explode
>under treatment like that.
>
>Horses for courses.
>I am stoked to have recently acquired a BD mini-haul bag/day pack, which
>is sufficiently robust to take that kind of treatment.

I use one of them as a crag pack; and if I ever actually decide to try and haul a whole route (enevitable I guess, but no specific plans) I'll use it. It's too heavy and bulky to wear whilst jugging.

>Once upon a time, I regarded people who mistreated their climbing equipment
>as heathens. Although I still tend to that philosophy, I have learnt along
>the way that walls are hard on gear, but (importantly), I have also found
>that the gear stands up to the treatment!

Different sports warrant different attitudes. I do my best to keep my road bike and kit in good nick; but my theory with rock gear is if it's not scratched it's only because it's not getting used (which either means you've got useless kit, or not climbing enough).

PI.