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TR - Point Perp multipitch sport 8-May-2013 At 12:35:45 PM hangdog

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On 8/05/2013 Nick Clow wrote:
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>One of my pet hates on CS is people who cut and paste the whole (or a
>large portion) of someone else's preceding message and then simply go through
>it and insert their own comments. Every one can see the previous messages
>on the thread. It shows a distinct lack of imagination, in my view.

Not everyone reads all the previous messages so inserting comments so that the comment or reply can relate to the relevant comment.
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>If you are genuinely and seriously asking me what is wrong with having
>dirty great lines of rings all over The Point, then maybe it's time for
>me to give up climbing.

Well. That is always an option but it would be a shame to give up climbing because of some bolted lines. Maybe put up some more trad routes to balance the vast numbers of bolted routes that apparently exist there.
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>The Point is unusual and precious in having an abundance of natural lines.
>Icebird, Windjammer, Grey Mist, Face de Rat, Bushido, Hungry Eyes, Montezuma,
>Memorable Moves, Tenere, Jaws, The Deeps etc are (off the top of my head)
>all bolt-free trad lines. The original developers of The Point actually
>envisaged it as an entirely bolt-free area, a 'mixed' basis is actually
>a compromise.
The original developers have no more right to the crag than anyone else. What they had in mind was grabbing some great trad routes and they certainly have an "ownership" of those routes. But they have no more right than anyone to decide what else happens in other areas.
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>Is it too much to ask that sport climbers leave this area alone or work
>within the guidelines for bolting? If you want to go sport climbing isn't
>there enough for you in the whole of Nowra? Some people are grossly offended
>by lines of ring-bolts at a trad area and the dumbing down of the game
>to the lowest common denominator. Where have they got to go?

Who decided that it was a trad area?? It can be trad line line but if the line doesn't support trad then it is bolted. My answer again is if you don't like it then go develop new trad routes. Apparently there a dozens of them just waiting for you. Or climb these bolted routes and place gear. You know who will jump into this now !!
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