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TR: Alive in a Bitter Sea (Katoomba Cliifs) 7-Dec-2016 At 2:46:32 PM Macciza

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On 6/12/2016 simey wrote:
>However I have always felt that Warwick Baird hijacked one of the great
>pieces of real estate in the Blueys with his pre-inspected, sparsely bolted
>creations in this part of the world.

Better then it being low-jacked into some 'bland consumer classic clip-up'... And like most of Warwicks route it was probably inspected/rehearsed far less then most people imagine...

>I just reckon the fact that you had to go to all that faff of pre-inspecting
>and working the climb before you were even willing to attempt it on lead
>really detracts from the route. Out of interest, how many ascents has Alive
>in a Bitter Sea had? And how many of those have been ground-up?

Any faffing/inspection/rehearsal is as much a reflection on the climber as it is the climb. Perhaps you would like to set us all straight by going ground up on it yourself?? I just reckon that if you complain about all that stuff but are unwilling to lead it in your preferred fashion then it detracts from your argument. And does it really matter how many people have climbed it??

>If first ascentionists are not willing to meet the challenges of the cliff
>by going ground-up (like say Tobin Sorenson did on Tjuringa at Arapiles)
>then they should think twice before bolting selfish, egotistical, run-out
>climbs from rap.

Well that might have worked in the old days on trad climbs but with bolted stuff these days its quite a bit different. If FA's aren't prepared to at least run it out a little in the easier sections then they really should think twice before creating more overbolted overcautious consumer crap..
cheers