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Cave Cliff & The Sun Deck Development 28-Nov-2007 At 10:44:00 PM jgoding

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Howdy M9,

glad you're happy with a big of flexibility about route names.

May I add that one of the reasons I think flexibility is required is due to a lack of knowledge of these other routes and areas with the same name, in this case my own I'm happy to acknowledge.

I was kindly reminded by a certain very experienced infamous climber today that if I should happen to have all of the old rock magazines, all of the old Arguses and every single guidebook ever published to the Grampians it should have been very apparent to me that these route names were already taken, and hence the confusion could have been avoided. That would assume that I could be bothered to read all of them and cross reference the lot. I would like to point out that this is simply unreasonable.

Now I would like to pass on the same message that I passed on to this very experienced climber in much the same fashion: Not everyone reads rock. Personally rock is OK, but I prefer CRUX. I certainly don't have every single back copy and think it's ridiculous to start getting peeved that I haven't personally checked every single new route write up before choosing a name for a new route of mine. I would also like to point out that a lot of people submit their new routes to Argus, not Rock. Some people simply keep note of their new routes but don't actually submit them for publication. Some now choose to publish them on the fantastic new on-line guide by the Australian Climbing Association: www.climb.org.au by the way.

May I humbly suggest that it would be more pragmatic to put effort into making this fantastic resource / opportunity (The Australian Climbing Association website on-line guide) complete and comprehensive rather than bitch about duplication of area or climb names.

If each of us could simply take the time to get a logon/password and put in say 10 routes we could be a lot further down the track of having this guide be complete.

There have been so many instances of new routes being old routes, and things being duplicated.

While I do go to some trouble to verify that a route I think is new I would suggest that you can only do what is "fair and reasonable" (which granted varies from person to person about their interpretation).

Anyway - my point is that it would be great if the general climbing community could assist with contributing to the success of this fantastic on-line guide so that it can be an easily maintained, totally comprehensive on-line guide to every route done in the Grampians, Arapiles, Buffalo and everywhere else in Australia.

What say you climbing community? Willing to lend a hand?