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Dreamtime Wall rock quality 7-Apr-2018 At 10:05:30 AM Jayford4321

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On 7-Apr-2018 egosan wrote:
>A picture is worth a thousand words. Here is an example of the rock quality at Dream time:

When I first saw that it made me think of Kanetoad Point in the climb centre of Brisvegas , then I thought of Olly smirking on the ledge (pic on front page of Chocky at the mo) , but no , I then realize the spectacularness is due to global warming.

So , if someone climbs a consolidated by ice and snow route in yesteryear , then someone else comes along afetr it is global warmed and climbs it in its new condition like that , do they get to claim it as another first ascent cos surely they'd be two completely different experiences , with the only thing in common being that climber would be silly to go to the edge of a cornice no matter if it be snow or rock like that?

Also I'm keen to learn what the pictured lead would be graded by Ewbank given it's a rock climb now , an if that grade changes after the climber passes the crux of the keystone holding it all togethr.