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Iskra Crag update 10-Aug-2017 At 10:18:37 AM Goshen

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On 10/08/2017 rossco wrote:
>From my understanding it's always been accepted tradition in Australia
>that the original name can't be changed, whether the first ascent was aided
>or not. The tradition is different in the UK, which is usually why it's
>been UK climbers freeing routes here who have tried to rename routes ie
>Andy Pollitt and Pegasus/Sheffield Steel or Paul Smith and Whistling Kite/Crack
>of Dawn.
>
>I didn't realise that Lemonade Wall was Project Wall, but when we are
>putting out the next edition of the bouldering guide we are not going to
>rename the wall or boulder problems because it was once a place to practice
>aid climbing, we might add a mention of it's shady history though.

That is a rather contradictory statement there...

However, if the naming of Project wall was only ever 'temporary' (Dave said Nalle was open to a new name now) AND assuming it was named in error - without realising the aid climbs existed, then perhaps the correct compromise is to keep the original "Lemonade" name for the wall, and lose the aid climbs*.

OR - is the new history of "Project Wall" now so entrenched that returning to an old name becomes impossible. It's no longer about 'history', but what climbers who climb there are going to refer to it by (and the real referee here is the guidebook editor).

The Crag does deal with alternate names well though. Is this insignificant little rock going to be: Project Wall (aka Lemonade Wall) (actually seemingly more likely, at this time)
or Lemonade Wall (aka Project Wall)?

* I think there's a general consensus in this particular case, that the aiding was just for a bit fun, and are not significant enough routes to retain. Although - the point was made the descriptions of both could live side by side, at least one The Crag.