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Kaputar - Euglah Rock 28-Apr-2017 At 5:41:48 PM ChossDog

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Scary stuff from Qld ODH...very scary. To suggest that bolting a route does not eliminate the trad option is ludicrous. And amazing that some people (climbers???) seem to be utterly ignorant of what trad climbing is about, the importance of aesthetics, skill and judgment, about what the sources of satisfaction are. Such people are clearly involved in a whooooole different activity (I might be mainly a trad climber, but at least I still understand what sport climbing is about...and not about).

Do they not realise the extent to which the trad tradition (is that a tautology?) has already been compromised? There are very few accessible crags that have been retained in a clean and sportless condition...let's doff our helmets to Ben Lomond! Most 'trad' crags are actually mixed, but in the case of Kaputar (and BL, the natural lines are often so close together that inserting a sport route between would be an aesthetic atrocity.

This is the same as any conservation argument: tell you what...we'll compromise, 50-50, but from the status quo with most of the wild places gone already. Then the next time there's a dispute, we'll compromise again. A one-way ratchet to oblivion...but its fair eh!