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Watchtower new bolted line. 7-Mar-2014 At 9:07:18 PM White Trash
On 7/03/2014 Big G wrote:
>On 7/03/2014 Macciza wrote
>>So it seems that you must rate all the different climbing disciplines
>>equally then?
>>If so then I would really have to question not only your logic but whether
>>you have even given the topic any critical thought at all . . . It sounds
>>like you actually have no real opinion on this matter whatsoever apart
>>from not agreeing with any side of the argument . . .
>>Throughout the history of climbing it has generally been recognised by
>>most people that there are substantive differences between the various
>>disciplines, and ethics of them . . . What have we been doing inventing
>>free climbing and then freeing aid from climbs, and bothering with the
>>whole 'gotta climb it without falling' thing . . .? Does climbing a bolted
>>route on trad gear fit in somewhere there?? Or is it really just all
>>So I gotta wonder what you would think about a rehearsed ascent of a
>>6m grade 4 sport route with pre-clipped rings every 600 mm compared to
>>say an onsight gear-only ascent of say Serpentine ?? Am I correct in
>>you think they are equal?? Or am I wrong in thinking that one or the
>>is a 'better' style/ethic/?? of ascent?
>You see macciza you are falling in to the same trap
>as DD; letting yourself extrapolate a statement out into a whole philosophy.
>Although at least you are doing it with a civilised response.
>No I don't think all accents are equal but neither do I think sport climbing
>is inherently bad. Neil was chastised for bolting choss in the Grampians
>and I felt compelled to point out a few (possibly perceived) flaws in the
>argument as to why he shouldn't do it. That's all.

just wasted my time reading this thread.
am not a lover of dd but his (her?) simple posts dont confuse me cause they are straight to the point unlike the bg ones as i only see simple rebuttals in those. where did bg point out the flaws again?

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