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Watchtower new bolted line. 7-Mar-2014 At 8:51:09 PM Big G

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On 7/03/2014 Macciza wrote
>
>So it seems that you must rate all the different climbing disciplines
>equally then?
>
>If so then I would really have to question not only your logic but whether
>you have even given the topic any critical thought at all . . . It sounds
>like you actually have no real opinion on this matter whatsoever apart
>from not agreeing with any side of the argument . . .
>
>Throughout the history of climbing it has generally been recognised by
>most people that there are substantive differences between the various
>disciplines, and ethics of them . . . What have we been doing inventing
>free climbing and then freeing aid from climbs, and bothering with the
>whole 'gotta climb it without falling' thing . . .? Does climbing a bolted
>route on trad gear fit in somewhere there?? Or is it really just all the
>same?
>
>So I gotta wonder what you would think about a rehearsed ascent of a chipped
>6m grade 4 sport route with pre-clipped rings every 600 mm compared to
>say an onsight gear-only ascent of say Serpentine ?? Am I correct in assuming
>you think they are equal?? Or am I wrong in thinking that one or the other
>is a 'better' style/ethic/?? of ascent?

You see macciza you are falling in to the same trap
as DD; letting yourself extrapolate a statement out into a whole philosophy. Although at least you are doing it with a civilised response.

No I don't think all accents are equal but neither do I think sport climbing is inherently bad. Neil was chastised for bolting choss in the Grampians and I felt compelled to point out a few (possibly perceived) flaws in the argument as to why he shouldn't do it. That's all.