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Bolting at The Horn, Mount Buffalo 28-Feb-2013 At 4:07:20 PM davidn

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On 28/02/2013 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Where and when will the uneccessary overbolting stop, without people making
>it an agenda?

I think I suggested earlier that it wouldn't, ever, regardless of the agenda stuff. Happy to be proven wrong, but if you take the long view and ignore a lot of history that many newer climbers don't know (and increasingly, won't know), then you can definitely expect more bolts to be added than pruned to any cliff. Run that out over 500 years and see what you get. Think the bolt-gunners hang on chockstone's every posted word? Suspect not!

I'm actually curious to see if the mass de-bolting of Windjammer Wall (?) will work, and if so for what period... And if Point Perp will re-sprout the very small amount of lost ironmongery.

Taking a *huge* step back from climbing's ingrained 'isms', you could perhaps understand the perspective of other segments of the community, including those that get guided and don't live for climbing like the rest of us that are enslaved to it, that having bolts there in case they need them (on trad climbs) is better than not.

Again, not condoning. Just cynical.