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VIC Buffalo	The Horn Environs	(General)	The Horn	[ Horn Guide ]

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Bolting at The Horn, Mount Buffalo 26-Feb-2013 At 6:28:21 PM lacto

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On 26/02/2013 Andrew Davis wrote:
>I would expect free falling more than 2 metres onto a hard surface is
>unacceptable and could mess you up quite a bit resulting in some legal
>issue if you owe a duty of care to someone else, and its doesn't need to
>be a commercial operation or any money swapping hands. However many of
>us have safely 'fallen' on a dynamic rope much great than 2 metres with
>a fall factor less than 1 with not the smallest injury. That is workcover
>would be more concerned about being tied into a rope above 2 metre and
>that there was no chance of a ground/ ledge fall or forces generated anywhere
>near factor 2.

My point re Workcover is that if you are being paid to take people climbing then you are subject to workcover rules . If you top rope people then you should satisfy their requirements so you dont need to grid bolt lines , if you are supervising beginners to lead then I believe that you still fall under the workcover guidelines and if you bolted those routes would be responsible if anyone came to grief or would have to name who did , maybe all this seems like fanciful thinking but have a serious accident and you will find the full ire of workcover .
Similarly for professional indemity cover . Stick to top roping unless you are prepared for ALL the possible consequences . 40 odd years ago I worked for Outward Bound where we were only allowed to top rope (litigation then was minimal ) participants climbing on those really well known crags at damsite hill- pretty valley , and the top of Mt Wills both which offered a good climbing experience without impacting on traditional climbing areas