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The first bolt on Question of Ethics (You Yangs) 5-Nov-2012 At 4:39:10 PM rolsen1

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On 2/11/2012 gfdonc wrote:
>The photo is classic! Thanks for that.
>
>On 2/11/2012 rolsen1 wrote:
>>Clearly it is not going to be retro'd with gdfonc's attitude
>
>Actually I was serious. I suggested adding a bolt when Neil replaced
>the original carrots a while back but received enough negative reaction
>to leave it as-is. Sounds like we're at the same point again.
>
>Stick-clipping is top-roping.
>
>

Well that is interesting, sorry.

I agree that stick clipping is top roping, and adding a mat is just stupid.

Despite all the posturing (from others), I think bolting climbs sensibly (and yes obviously that is open to interpretation) is essential to maintaining and growing the climbing culture and ethic here in Victoria. I think it is great that we have an onsight culture, a minimal (read, not over bolted) bolting culture and (dare I say it) a carrot bolt culture.

Under bolting (great) climbs does as much damage to this culture as over bolting. If we want to maintain and strengthen what we have we should rage against both, somehow I think egos for most will get in the way.