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Rings on 1-Aug-2012 At 12:32:17 PM Marto

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On 31/7/12 Marto wrote
>>and why have a lower off when there are big trees to use at the top to
>belay from??
on 1/8/2012 mikl wrote
>so you keep the big trees alive

I would have thought that by putting in rings it would increase the numbers on the route, thus increasing traffic at the base at a busy enough crag. Increase in numbers I feel would have a more significant impact at the base of the cliff rather than at the top, causing further erosion and damage. Its not just the trees at the top.

The top of the route has actually had a small amount of cementing/pathing done years ago to reduce the erosion when accessing and getting off rottcg and pepper corner, leading me to think it may be better suited to a top out.

I can certainly understand peoples thoughts on damage created by belaying/rapping off trees but see that by putting in rings and lower offs to save a tree will cause further damage to the tree's at the base of the route.

One day there will be rings and lower offs on very climb, but someone needs to play devils advocate in this generation of climbers. Generation ring perhaps???