True, and the retro bolt was unecessary too given the worlds best large wire behind the very solid jug. Still, does take about 30seconds less to climb it now. So, back to the topic at hand... I was out there yesterday and climbed this (again x many). Does anyone know where the chip is meant to be? There is a large and very suspicious 4 finger edge at approx 8ft (one good move off the deck), but that has been there for a long, long time (as in was there mid 90s and predates the retrobolt by a very long way). I have always thought this hold was a chip (it in fact looks like 4-510-12mm drill holes lined up perfectly to form a crimp in the ironstone). To be honest I couldnt see any signs of a new chip, and it didnt look like this (old) one had been enhanced much as far as I could see. If it is I wonder why youd bother because the start where this hold is is easy and the crux is the next bodylength up to the uberchalked jug. The climbing and grade seem unchanged (spoogy nonsense gives way to juggy happiness). As an aside Redex is still just brilliant and as much as people hate Werribee, it would hold its head high just about anywhere.