Thanks james. Ive climbed at Erica rocks and its not too bad. Ive no idea where the Pyramids are. Im hoping that if us climbers do the right thing parks will allow us back into tongue point as it appears to have some very nice climbing, With that in mind if we were allowed to through a couple more of those "naughty" bolts into the slabs at Mt Bishop id definately climb there a bit more.( Rumour has it that some 45 mt pitches have only 1 or 2 non stainless old bolts) Any thing other than Woolamai in South Gippsland?