Crag & Route Beta

Topic	Date	User
Painless	21-Sep-2009 At 7:28:43 PM	blueskyblonde
Message
I have done both the climbs in question and i did find the 21 on the arete much more harder than painless and would agree to the grading. I felt that it had more committing clips and harder moves. Painless was a bit daunting at first but on the second time i climbed it i felt it was easier than a 20...more an 18. There is also that two carrot 17 on the bolder below painless i think its called mercy and i could not even get off the ground.

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