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OT: Rebelious reopening of locked topic 31-Aug-2010 At 11:25:18 PM Sarah Gara

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dave h wrote:
that wendy wrote:
Sarah suggested
>(offline) it was becasue sex is for reproduction and gay sex can't repoduce,
>but that would write off most sex and I can't imagine outside of some traditional
>Catholics, recreational sex, sex as bonding, sex as an expression of love
>etc is abandonned as morally uncondonable.

>I don't agree with Sarah's view. The moral value of homosexual sex is not determined on a >consequentialist basis. Similarly, I don't agree with evaluating the morality of sexual >conduct by referring to natural law. The teaching of the Bible is the basis on which I try to >make moral judgements. And Song of Songs / Song of Solomon makes it clear that sex is >a gift from God, and that it's to be enjoyed without shame in marriage - IE just for fun, >bonding, expression of love etc. My understanding of the Catholic teaching on sex is that >it's based on the story of Onan, and I think their teaching stems from a failure to read the >story properly - but I could be wrong on both of those points.

Can I first clarify. that that was not my view it was mearly a suggestion that may be why Xians can't get around the gay issue.

from your statement above if Gay people were allowed to marry than you wouldn't have an issue with them having sex. ??? I somehow don't think that is what you mean. If so then why can't they get married and the world would be ok,

Dave H - can I ask what you do? or what your actual branch of xianity you believe is. (Don't feel pressurised to answer -or PM me just currious) As you certainly know your stuff -more so I'd say than a Jehovah's witness (and I don't mean disrespect there-Just I always find I can't argue with them as I don't know the subject matter to the same level - however if I did I reckon eventually it would all come down to faith.)

- your arguments are thoughtful and to keep up with you I'd either have to do some reading or some serious remembering. Also you are very patient to keep this going - I don't have the time or the inclination - possibly if we ever meet I'd be interested for a short time to discuss. particularly I'd be interested to hear about your view on why there is still evil in the world if there is a God? -those arguments always intrigued me.

Thanks to wendy for responding to the annals issue -I wonder about the civialiation in 2000 years finding the hary potter books or similar and thinking that we were all wizards...

In terms of marriage in law and what egosan said about tax break in the USA etc -same in UK

Right bed time but first pedant time is it not i.e. not IE ?? You've had me wondering and annoying me every time you write it. you do mean i.e. or IE as in "that is" x