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Babies at crags 10-Aug-2010 At 9:24:13 AM TonyB

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On 9/08/2010 Butters81 wrote:
>So by taking babies to the crag, you're imposing restrictions on what
>others do, whether you think you are or not

Nonsense. Falling rocks can kill adults as surely as babies. Babies or adults in such danger should move. It has never been an issue for us. As I've said before, if it was ever mentioned to us at a crag, we would move our baby immediately. Parents are very protective.

Climberman wrote:
>Young males are disciminated against (by insurance companies and targetted >advertising) as they kill themselves, and others, more than other groups.

Correct. Insurance companies are running a business based on accident statistics. When your premium is high it is because you are a high risk. BTW, it's also a very competetive industry and it's very easy to get $100 or more knocked off your premium if you say you're changing insurers.

One Day Hero wrote:
>apparently old farts suffer in other departments too (eyesight, speed of decision >making, muscular control)

Yes, that's why the RTA has eyesight tests and why old farts like me wear glasses, even when climbing.

Yes, young folk do make faster decisions because theirs brains don't bother with as much processing in their immature frontal lobes (the part responsible for judgement). Lots of papers on this ... do a google. It results in young folk doing all sorts of silly things. Don't worry, there is a long list of silly things that I did when I was a young bloke, that could have easily cost my life or the lives of others ... I was lucky. Old farts are more likely to make good judgements based on lots of experience.
"Youth is wasted on the young." - George Bernard Shaw

Unless you're referring to Parkinson's, muscular control is not an issue.

Back on topic. I was planning on a trip to Mt Alexandra with my wife and baby and some other climbers with a 2 yr old. Climb.org lists it as being non kid friendly. I remember it as having a short walk in; plenty of flat areas near the base; and good rock. We chatted to a local when we were there, who taught his 3 kids to climb at the crag from when they were 2. Any comments please ?