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Ben Nevis - Shame on you. What a waste of a crag. 11-Aug-2009 At 12:33:17 PM JBM

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>The point of the original post was that easy / moderate climbs would be
>more accessible to everybody if they were bolted the way they would have
>been if they were 10 grades harder.

Bingo!! We have a winner!!

Bolting, by nature is bringing down the rock/route to your level of comfort. By definition, if
you are going to place a bolt then you should bolt reasonably.

There is a lot of ranting here about "preserving adventure", "you're a pussy, go climb
something else" and/or "know your limits".

Bad bolting is self-indulgent. Call them "test-pieces" - I call them selfish acts of waste.

If you're such a hard ass - then don't place bolts. If you're going to go to the trouble of
marring the rock and whacking in a first ascent using bolts - then do it properly.

Someone made the point earlier that there are other places to climb if you don't like it.
That's not the point.

I use our environment as a metaphor and our use of natural resources. If we don't like
the mess we've made with your own natural resources then go use someone else's.
That's why our environment is a mess.

The rock is a natural resource - I challenge that it is being wasted by NOT allowing it to
be used effectively. This waste is further compounded by the fact that the same
perpetrators then go waste another resource in the same style.

Well actually - a whole generation did this.

Well I'm done with this topic now. Suppose the American is done baiting the
Australians.... ;-)