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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 14-Jul-2009 At 4:02:03 PM R James

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Where did I mention texts written 2000 years ago? You get some strange interpretations. Religion - "a point or matter of conscience when zealously or obsessively observed."

Haven't you seen the interviews of people at global warming rallies. Their comments often indicate that they haven't a clue, whether they support it or not. I saw some good ones yesterday from somewhere in the USA. I'll see if I can find the link. They were obviously just there because it was a fun thing to belong to.

I can assume you're familiar with the global temperature of GISS, Hadcrut, RSS. UAH etc. In Australia, the Bureau of Meteorology uses Hadcrut data (Hadley Centre). I plot their data, but it's available on their web site. The Aus Bureau of Meteorology publishes a plot of this, though it's a few months out of date (I contact them occasionaly to prompt them to update it - did it again a few days ago). Anyway, you can check for yourself on http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/reg/cli_chg/g_timeseries.cgi?variable=global_t®ion=global&season=0112 You can take it as between 0.6 and 0.8 degC increase over the past 160 years, depending on how you interpret it. Try explaining the rise 1910 - 1940. I'm sure everyone taking an interest here has studied this data, and the few thousand years earlier.

Satellite data for the past 30 years (UAH) shows about 0.2 degC increase for the past 30 years - not much considering all the excitement it's causing!!!